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  1. Bills
  2. Jets
  3. Cardinals
  4. Vikings
  5. Browns
You look at your roster and decide your team is capable of making a legitimate run IF you have a solid starting QB. Your options are: drafting a young guy in what is supposed to be a good QB draft, sign a FA or trade. Here's a partial FA list:
  • Kirk Cousins (29) 
  • Drew Brees (39) 
  • Teddy Bridgewater (25) 
  • Case Keenum (30) 
  • Sam Bradford (30)
Brees could be a viable place holder for a drafted rookie but would probably cost a bunch; you'd need cap space. If Bridgewater clears your medical exam he could be your future ... maybe. Keenum could be another place holder for a rookie and won't break the bank. Bradford has proven to be capable but also a medical risk.

Would you consider trading a premium pick (maybe plus) for the Super Bowl MVP, 29 years old? If you think your team is ready, how long does the window stay open and how much of a risk is a rookie?
Rick
QUOTE (One @ Feb 14 2018, 09:30 AM) *
  1. Bills
  2. Jets
  3. Cardinals
  4. Vikings
  5. Browns
You look at your roster and decide your team is capable of making a legitimate run IF you have a solid starting QB. Your options are: drafting a young guy in what is supposed to be a good QB draft, sign a FA or trade. Here's a partial FA list:
  • Kirk Cousins (29) 
  • Drew Brees (39) 
  • Teddy Bridgewater (25) 
  • Case Keenum (30) 
  • Sam Bradford (30)
Brees could be a viable place holder for a drafted rookie but would probably cost a bunch; you'd need cap space. If Bridgewater clears your medical exam he could be your future ... maybe. Keenum could be another place holder for a rookie and won't break the bank. Bradford has proven to be capable but also a medical risk.

Would you consider trading a premium pick (maybe plus) for the Super Bowl MVP, 29 years old? If you think your team is ready, how long does the window stay open and how much of a risk is a rookie?

You're assuming Brees is going somewhere. I'd be shocked if he signed with anyone but the Saints.
One
QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 14 2018, 11:07 AM) *
You're assuming Brees is going somewhere. I'd be shocked if he signed with anyone but the Saints.

Not really. I'm only listing the players who could be attractive to teams in need of a QB. I'm not sure how attractive Bradford or Bridgewater are because of their injury history. With either one, the team would have to have a backup plan, IMO. Maybe even with Foles. Cousins is the top FA dog, assuming Snyder doesn't franchise him again and try to duplicate what the Eagles had. biggrin.gif
CT_Eagle
QUOTE (One @ Feb 14 2018, 06:14 PM) *
Not really. I'm only listing the players who could be attractive to teams in need of a QB. I'm not sure how attractive Bradford or Bridgewater are because of their injury history. With either one, the team would have to have a backup plan, IMO. Maybe even with Foles. Cousins is the top FA dog, assuming Snyder doesn't franchise him again and try to duplicate what the Eagles had. biggrin.gif


Little chance that Cousins will be franchised now that Smith is in Washington. Way too expensive.
Joegrane
For most of the teams it is a difficult decision because this is a good QB draft, yet you don't know who will be available at your draft slot.

Denver could also be looking for a placeholder.

When was the last time so many QBs with playoff experience were available in one year.


QUOTE (One @ Feb 14 2018, 09:30 AM) *
  1. Bills
  2. Jets
  3. Cardinals
  4. Vikings
  5. Browns
You look at your roster and decide your team is capable of making a legitimate run IF you have a solid starting QB. Your options are: drafting a young guy in what is supposed to be a good QB draft, sign a FA or trade. Here's a partial FA list:
  • Kirk Cousins (29) 
  • Drew Brees (39) 
  • Teddy Bridgewater (25) 
  • Case Keenum (30) 
  • Sam Bradford (30)
Brees could be a viable place holder for a drafted rookie but would probably cost a bunch; you'd need cap space. If Bridgewater clears your medical exam he could be your future ... maybe. Keenum could be another place holder for a rookie and won't break the bank. Bradford has proven to be capable but also a medical risk.

Would you consider trading a premium pick (maybe plus) for the Super Bowl MVP, 29 years old? If you think your team is ready, how long does the window stay open and how much of a risk is a rookie?
Rick
QUOTE (One @ Feb 14 2018, 12:14 PM) *
I'm not sure how attractive Bradford or Bridgewater are because of their injury history.

Well, you'd think EVENTUALLY someone will realize Bradford is the biggest fraud ever in the NFL. He's earned what? Like $100 million over his career (or something like that)? He has a record below .500, never took a team to the playoffs, and rarely has ever played a whole season. But people still keep spending on him.

But nobody wanted Nick Foles as a starter. SMH...
Rick
QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Feb 14 2018, 02:16 PM) *
Little chance that Cousins will be franchised now that Smith is in Washington. Way too expensive.

I've heard some people kicking around them franchising him so they can trade him.
The Franchise
QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 14 2018, 04:53 PM) *
Well, you'd think EVENTUALLY someone will realize Bradford is the biggest fraud ever in the NFL. He's earned what? Like $100 million over his career (or something like that)? He has a record below .500, never took a team to the playoffs, and rarely has ever played a whole season. But people still keep spending on him.

But nobody wanted Nick Foles as a starter. SMH...


As we've seen and others here have mentioned, it's obvious that you shouldn't judge a QB based on his success under Jeff Fisher. The rosters of the teams playing in the NFCCG this year had 3 of his former QB's, one of whom won the SB. Bradford hasn't lived up to his pre-draft hype for sure, but he also is far from a bum.
nephillymike
Brees isn't going anywhere.

That being the case, Foles is second to Cousins on my list.

Keenum, Bradford and Bridgewater finish out my list.
samaroo
QUOTE (One @ Feb 14 2018, 11:30 PM) *
  1. Bills
  2. Jets
  3. Cardinals
  4. Vikings
  5. Browns
You look at your roster and decide your team is capable of making a legitimate run IF you have a solid starting QB. Your options are: drafting a young guy in what is supposed to be a good QB draft, sign a FA or trade. Here's a partial FA list:
  • Kirk Cousins (29) 
  • Drew Brees (39) 
  • Teddy Bridgewater (25) 
  • Case Keenum (30) 
  • Sam Bradford (30)
Brees could be a viable place holder for a drafted rookie but would probably cost a bunch; you'd need cap space. If Bridgewater clears your medical exam he could be your future ... maybe. Keenum could be another place holder for a rookie and won't break the bank. Bradford has proven to be capable but also a medical risk.

Would you consider trading a premium pick (maybe plus) for the Super Bowl MVP, 29 years old? If you think your team is ready, how long does the window stay open and how much of a risk is a rookie?


Why is Cleveland on this list? lol
Rick
QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 14 2018, 06:55 PM) *
As we've seen and others here have mentioned, it's obvious that you shouldn't judge a QB based on his success under Jeff Fisher. The rosters of the teams playing in the NFCCG this year had 3 of his former QB's, one of whom won the SB. Bradford hasn't lived up to his pre-draft hype for sure, but he also is far from a bum.

By what measure? What, exactly, has he accomplished in his career--away from Fisher? Nothing, nadda, zilch. He's always hurt. He still has a sub-.500 record. He still hasn't taken a team to the playoffs.

Sure, he's an accurate passer. So what. Could he possibly catch lightning in a bottle somewhere? Sure but I'm not betting on it. When he was here he did nothing. Remember the reports of him not wanting to be here? Yeah, that's the guy we're talking about.

Sorry, I keep hearing this kind of stuff about him. They're all just excuses. His (lack of) accomplishments don't lie. He get's paid a lot of money and has never come through but teams still continue to pay the guy while other guys back up people like him.
Joegrane
I agree about Brees not going anywhere.

I also agree about Foles being #2 to Cousins; however a team has to give up something to get Nick.

Also Bradford and Bridgewater probably would accept short term deals due to coming off injury. That would be perfect for a team looking for a placeholder for a rookie they plan to draft.

Foles and Cousins are more of a medium-term option for a team.

Jets and Browns draft high enough to not be desperate for a veteran.

The Bills, Cards and Broncos are not SB contenders like the Vikes. The Cards pick high enough with a deep QB draft to snag a QB but probably will need a placeholder QB.

The Bills have two late 1st round picks but will an interesting QB be available? Do they want T Taylor to be the mentor and placeholder for a rookie or would they rather have someone with "character" such as Foles or Bradford.

I assume the Jags are staying with Bortles after giving him $.

I don't think the Eagles are going to get typical value for Foles due to the number of FA QBs and rookie QBs with 1st round talent available this season.

I would not be surprised if those factors cause Cousins to take a 1 year deal with a team that plans to draft a QB in round 1.

QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 14 2018, 08:46 PM) *
Brees isn't going anywhere.

That being the case, Foles is second to Cousins on my list.

Keenum, Bradford and Bridgewater finish out my list.
The Franchise
QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 15 2018, 06:43 AM) *
By what measure? What, exactly, has he accomplished in his career--away from Fisher? Nothing, nadda, zilch. He's always hurt. He still has a sub-.500 record. He still hasn't taken a team to the playoffs.

Sure, he's an accurate passer. So what. Could he possibly catch lightning in a bottle somewhere? Sure but I'm not betting on it. When he was here he did nothing. Remember the reports of him not wanting to be here? Yeah, that's the guy we're talking about.

Sorry, I keep hearing this kind of stuff about him. They're all just excuses. His (lack of) accomplishments don't lie. He get's paid a lot of money and has never come through but teams still continue to pay the guy while other guys back up people like him.


In 2016 he was 6th in the league in passer rating at 99.7, a hair under Brees. In 2 games this year it was in the 120s, one of those games lighting up the Saints. His biggest problem is he can't stay healthy.
Rick
QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 15 2018, 02:54 PM) *
In 2016 he was 6th in the league in passer rating at 99.7, a hair under Brees. In 2 games this year it was in the 120s, one of those games lighting up the Saints. His biggest problem is he can't stay healthy.

Ok, you have 1 year and 2 games. And you have his injury issues.

He's a bum.
The Franchise
QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 15 2018, 04:44 PM) *
Ok, you have 1 year and 2 games. And you have his injury issues.

He's a bum.


No, I have 2 consecutive years where 2 of Fisher's former QB's were among the best in the league, while NOT playing for him. On top of that, this year's Super Bowl winner.

Fisher is garbage.
Joegrane
Fisher is a defensive coach in the Buddy Ryan tree. What do you expect?

He may resurface as a defensive coordinator.

QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 15 2018, 05:10 PM) *
No, I have 2 consecutive years where 2 of Fisher's former QB's were among the best in the league, while NOT playing for him. On top of that, this year's Super Bowl winner.

Fisher is garbage.

Rick
QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 15 2018, 05:10 PM) *
No, I have 2 consecutive years where 2 of Fisher's former QB's were among the best in the league, while NOT playing for him. On top of that, this year's Super Bowl winner.

Fisher is garbage.

And so is Bradford. He never did anything when he WASN'T with Fisher either.

He has periods when he plays well but he then gets hurt. He also never plays well enough to get his team into the playoffs (or to .500).

The stats don't lie.
nephillymike
QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 16 2018, 05:42 AM) *
And so is Bradford. He never did anything when he WASN'T with Fisher either.

He has periods when he plays well but he then gets hurt. He also never plays well enough to get his team into the playoffs (or to .500).

The stats don't lie.

Past three years:

Sleeves 16-15, passer rating of approx 93
Cousins 24-23-1 passer rating of approx 97.

I've never been a Sleeves fan per se and his check down Charlie routine, but he's not garbage. I'd classify him as an injury prone, slightly above average starting QB whereas Cousins is not injury prone and is above average starting QB.

I wouldn't want him to be the future of my team, but I think he'll get a good deal somewhere.
samaroo
It's real easy being green right now... biggrin.gif
Rick
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 16 2018, 06:18 AM) *
Past three years:

Sleeves 16-15, passer rating of approx 93
Cousins 24-23-1 passer rating of approx 97.

I've never been a Sleeves fan per se and his check down Charlie routine, but he's not garbage. I'd classify him as an injury prone, slightly above average starting QB whereas Cousins is not injury prone and is above average starting QB.

I wouldn't want him to be the future of my team, but I think he'll get a good deal somewhere.

My garbage comment is because he's never done anything. Sure, he's accurate. That's great. No win me some fucking games and take me to the playoffs. He isn't doing that even when he's been healthy for 2 seconds.

My point is, why does the NFL keep giving guys like this money. Take a chance on someone else for less money. Why was Foles almost out of the game and a backup? I'd been saying since he left here he needs to be starting somewhere. You can't tell me he's not better than the guys on many teams out there. He's certainly better than Bradford yet Bradford has been making more money than him regardless of his history.

Maybe he's not garbage but he's certainly a fraud.
The Franchise
QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 16 2018, 05:42 AM) *
The stats don't lie.


He's had a full season in Minnesota where he was one of the top QB's in the league, as I pointed out and anyone can see. Why the fuck are you still arguing this?
Rick
QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 16 2018, 08:12 PM) *
He's had a full season in Minnesota where he was one of the top QB's in the league, as I pointed out and anyone can see. Why the fuck are you still arguing this?

Sure, a full season. I'm arguing because I'm not arguing his stats but you seem to think I am. I'm arguing that he's never done a damn thing in the NFL except collect a bunch of money. How many playoff appearances has he taken his team to? Forget about wins. What's his career win/loss record (if you want to talk stats)? Are these thing actual important thing or do we just worry about the stats?

Why are YOU still arguing?
The Franchise
QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 16 2018, 08:23 PM) *
Sure, a full season. I'm arguing because I'm not arguing his stats but you seem to think I am. I'm arguing that he's never done a damn thing in the NFL except collect a bunch of money. How many playoff appearances has he taken his team to? Forget about wins. What's his career win/loss record (if you want to talk stats)? Are these thing actual important thing or do we just worry about the stats?

Why are YOU still arguing?


I'm saying he would be a competent backup. I'd rather have Foles. Until they make a move, I guess the point is moot.
Rick
QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 17 2018, 12:09 AM) *
I'm saying he would be a competent backup. I'd rather have Foles. Until they make a move, I guess the point is moot.

Then I agree. Yes, he'd be a good backup. But I wouldn't want him here after the way he handled it here with the reports of him never being happy he was here.
Joegrane
You don't think Bradford would be a good placeholder QB for a young QB?

He'll keep you in games with his high % short passing and decent decision making. Yet he has the arm to chuck it deep occasionally.

He is a decent citizen and team mate.

If he gets injured you resort to using your young QB.

QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 17 2018, 12:09 AM) *
I'm saying he would be a competent backup. I'd rather have Foles. Until they make a move, I guess the point is moot.

nephillymike
QUOTE (Joegrane @ Feb 17 2018, 12:29 PM) *
You don't think Bradford would be a good placeholder QB for a young QB?

He'll keep you in games with his high % short passing and decent decision making. Yet he has the arm to chuck it deep occasionally.

He is a decent citizen and team mate.

If he gets injured you resort to using your young QB.


Won't Bradford this year get more than Foles will get under his current deal with us for this year?

If so, than our cap situation negates getting a QB of Bradford's market value.
Rick
QUOTE (Joegrane @ Feb 17 2018, 12:29 PM) *
You don't think Bradford would be a good placeholder QB for a young QB?

He'll keep you in games with his high % short passing and decent decision making. Yet he has the arm to chuck it deep occasionally.

He is a decent citizen and team mate.

If he gets injured you resort to using your young QB.

He would? Did we forget how he had a shit attitude here and, after he was gone, it came out he didn't really want to be here and wasn't putting the time in. I don't call that a decent team mate.

And, sure, as a placeholder, as long as you don't expect to do anything like make it to the playoffs...
The Franchise
QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 17 2018, 04:19 PM) *
He would? Did we forget how he had a shit attitude here and, after he was gone, it came out he didn't really want to be here and wasn't putting the time in. I don't call that a decent team mate.


Yes, sign a contract extension, then your team trades up for the no. 2 and your immediate replacement? How did he not show up smiling in the meeting with the coaches after that?!

Phits
QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 17 2018, 03:30 PM) *
Yes, sign a contract extension, then your team trades up for the no. 2 and your immediate replacement? How did he not show up smiling in the meeting with the coaches after that?!

You'd think Bradford's agent would have asked for assurances that his client would be given a "fair shot" at the QB1 spot.
The Franchise
QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 17 2018, 05:48 PM) *
You'd think Bradford's agent would have asked for assurances that his client would be given a "fair shot" at the QB1 spot.


Or, you would think that common sense and fluency in English would translate to a 'contract extension' for a QB meaning that he has a fair shot of being starter? But hey, don't take my word for it - look at what you and Rick wrote at the time:

QUOTE
I think Doug is hinting to Bradford that this is his team, for the next two years. That he is the best short term answer for their long term solution, which (I believe) involves drafting his (eventual) replacement...this season.


QUOTE
Oh I don't doubt for a second this is Bradford's team (unless he sucks eggs) at this point. I think they hope he's their long-term solution but are preparing just in case. I actually like this line of reasoning for the long run.


Singing a different tune back then, eh? Obviously he would be furious, thinking that he would be starter and we would use our #13 pick to get him a WR.
Phits
QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 17 2018, 06:49 PM) *
Or, you would think that common sense and fluency in English would translate to a 'contract extension' for a QB meaning that he has a fair shot of being starter? But hey, don't take my word for it - look at what you and Rick wrote at the time:

Singing a different tune back then, eh? Obviously he would be furious, thinking that he would be starter and we would use our #13 pick to get him a WR.


If DP was (only) hinting that Bradford would be the starter, wouldn't that mean that there had been no assurances? A contract extension doesn't guarantee a "fair shot" at being the starter. How you correlate that to 'common sense' is confusing.

My comments were based on outside observations. I certainly didn't have a seat at the negotiation table. The Agent (and player) could/should have made sure that there was clarity.

Anyway, it's moot. I'm glad Sam is gone. We tricked Minny into taking his ass for a veritable King's ransom. A year later we won the SB.

Joegrane
You misunderstood, Bradford is NOT a fit in Philly. He'd be a fit as a temporary, placeholder QB for a team drafting a QB in the first round, for example, the Browns.

I assume Sudfeld will be the #2 this year in Philly due to the cap limitations.

QUOTE (Joegrane @ Feb 17 2018, 12:29 PM) *
You don't think Bradford would be a good placeholder QB for a young QB?

He'll keep you in games with his high % short passing and decent decision making. Yet he has the arm to chuck it deep occasionally.

He is a decent citizen and team mate.

If he gets injured you resort to using your young QB.
The Franchise
QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 17 2018, 08:52 PM) *
Anyway, it's moot. I'm glad Sam is gone. We tricked Minny into taking his ass for a veritable King's ransom. A year later we won the SB.


We can all agree on that.

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Eyrie
QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 17 2018, 10:48 PM) *
You'd think Bradford's agent would have asked for assurances that his client would be given a "fair shot" at the QB1 spot.

He didn't just get a fair shot but was going to be our starter for 2016 until Bridgewater blew out his knee. At which point we got that king's ransom and our rookie jumped from third place to starting.
Rick
QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 17 2018, 03:30 PM) *
Yes, sign a contract extension, then your team trades up for the no. 2 and your immediate replacement? How did he not show up smiling in the meeting with the coaches after that?!

1. Because he had done nothing in his career (up to that point and STILL up to today) which would inspire kind of confidence by a team picking him up.

and..

2. Because you're supposed to be a PROFESSIONAL. Kendricks wasn't happy before the season started. Asked for a trade. But he still played his ass off and did everything which was asked of him.

I really don't understand why you--or anyone else--defends this fraud of a QB. He has taken MILLIONS of dollars from teams and has done absolutely NOTHING.
Rick
QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 17 2018, 06:49 PM) *
Or, you would think that common sense and fluency in English would translate to a 'contract extension' for a QB meaning that he has a fair shot of being starter? But hey, don't take my word for it - look at what you and Rick wrote at the time:





Singing a different tune back then, eh? Obviously he would be furious, thinking that he would be starter and we would use our #13 pick to get him a WR.

How is it a different tune? The situation was a bit different at the time wasn't it? We didn't have a starting-caliber QB and we hoped he might be the answer. He wasn't.

And, since then, he still hasn't done anything to justify the money he's beeb paid over the years.
Rick
QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 17 2018, 07:52 PM) *
If DP was (only) hinting that Bradford would be the starter, wouldn't that mean that there had been no assurances? A contract extension doesn't guarantee a "fair shot" at being the starter. How you correlate that to 'common sense' is confusing.

My comments were based on outside observations. I certainly didn't have a seat at the negotiation table. The Agent (and player) could/should have made sure that there was clarity.

Anyway, it's moot. I'm glad Sam is gone. We tricked Minny into taking his ass for a veritable King's ransom. A year later we won the SB.


Well-said...
eagle60
QUOTE (One @ Feb 14 2018, 09:30 AM) *
  1. Bills
  2. Jets
  3. Cardinals
  4. Vikings
  5. Browns
You look at your roster and decide your team is capable of making a legitimate run IF you have a solid starting QB. Your options are: drafting a young guy in what is supposed to be a good QB draft, sign a FA or trade. Here's a partial FA list:
  • Kirk Cousins (29) 
  • Drew Brees (39) 
  • Teddy Bridgewater (25) 
  • Case Keenum (30) 
  • Sam Bradford (30)
Brees could be a viable place holder for a drafted rookie but would probably cost a bunch; you'd need cap space. If Bridgewater clears your medical exam he could be your future ... maybe. Keenum could be another place holder for a rookie and won't break the bank. Bradford has proven to be capable but also a medical risk.

Would you consider trading a premium pick (maybe plus) for the Super Bowl MVP, 29 years old? If you think your team is ready, how long does the window stay open and how much of a risk is a rookie?


If you're the Vikings and 3 of the 5 are already yours I would hope that you would have a great idea of where you should go for one! It's just me but I don't think that they'll spend the money for that greedy bastard Cousins and Brees won't be there.

One
And now we can add McCarron to the list.
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