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Zero
The season's just about to start jumpclap.gif and RB seems to be a concern for lots of folks. Blount hasn't shown anything, Smallwood looks good when healthy, Sproles has done a good job of standing/watching, Clement broke off a couple against 3rd stringers and Pumphrey hasn't done anything.

No second or third round picks next year, a few one-year contracts to review and cap space that right now is marginally better than KC who's at minus ($49,234). So it seems our margin for error to reasonably upgrade the running game next year, should it need it, has gone down quite a bit. As of today, I'd say RB may be our biggest hole going into 2018.

If RB is our greatest need in next year's draft, and somehow the Eagles are on the clock with no RBs taken it sounds like most people are saying it's a no-brainer to take Saquon Barkley. I don't really ever watch college football, but how many PSU running backs have been great in college and succeeded in the NFL ... reasonably recent? Warner, not Carter, not Gash, Enis or Thomas. I'm probably missing a few, but am I?

Would you draft Barkley with our #1, no matter how high it is?
Pila
How is this even slightly off-topic?

Off-topic would be if I posted about 70s porn. And only slightly because... Dick Vermeil.
Zero
Well, it's game week and that had nothing to do with torches, pitchforks, screaming or death threats.
Joegrane
The second round tends to be a good place to find a feature RB. Of course the Eagles don't have a 2nd next year.

I would not be surprised if Howie trades down from his 1st round pick in the low 20's.

According to PFT's trade chart a top 10 2nd rounder plus top 10 3rd rounder would have value similar to a 1st rounder in the low 20s.

Dalvin Cook was taken high in the 2nd this year. Titans selected Derrick Henry in the middle of the 2nd round in 2016. In the 2015 2nd round the Lions took A Abdullah and the Jags took TJ Yelden. In 2015 the Bucs took Charles Sims high in the 2nd.

QUOTE (Zero @ Sep 5 2017, 01:33 PM) *
The season's just about to start jumpclap.gif and RB seems to be a concern for lots of folks. Blount hasn't shown anything, Smallwood looks good when healthy, Sproles has done a good job of standing/watching, Clement broke off a couple against 3rd stringers and Pumphrey hasn't done anything.

No second or third round picks next year, a few one-year contracts to review and cap space that right now is marginally better than KC who's at minus ($49,234). So it seems our margin for error to reasonably upgrade the running game next year, should it need it, has gone down quite a bit. As of today, I'd say RB may be our biggest hole going into 2018.

If RB is our greatest need in next year's draft, and somehow the Eagles are on the clock with no RBs taken it sounds like most people are saying it's a no-brainer to take Saquon Barkley. I don't really ever watch college football, but how many PSU running backs have been great in college and succeeded in the NFL ... reasonably recent? Warner, not Carter, not Gash, Enis or Thomas. I'm probably missing a few, but am I?

Would you draft Barkley with our #1, no matter how high it is?

mcnabbulous
He's the best RB prospect I've ever seen, with the possible exception being Peterson.

My best on-field comparison for him would be Ladanian Tomlinson. I fully expect that he will outperform LT across the board at the combine.

I don't expect him to get out of the top-10. If the position weren't commotitized, he would easily be in consideration for #1 overall.

Simply put, he's special. The former PSU RB situation is irrelevant, but Larry Johnson had a solid career.

I don't expect us to be in a position to draft him, but I would. If it were around pick 10. I expect us to be picking in the early 20s though.
The Franchise
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 5 2017, 03:49 PM) *
He's the best RB prospect I've ever seen, with the possible exception being Peterson.

My best on-field comparison for him would be Ladanian Tomlinson. I fully expect that he will outperform LT across the board at the combine.

I don't expect him to get out of the top-10. If the position weren't commotitized, he would easily be in consideration for #1 overall.

Simply put, he's special. The former PSU RB situation is irrelevant, but Larry Johnson had a solid career.

I don't expect us to be in a position to draft him, but I would. If it were around pick 10. I expect us to be picking in the early 20s though.


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And right on time, here he is with the kiss of death. Geno and Marcus Smith say hello, as does Hackenberg. My condolences Barkley.

The last Penn State RB we drafted was Tony Hunt. We can trade up to get a RB if necessary, the draft is chock full of them. PASS.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 5 2017, 06:34 PM) *
The last Penn State RB we drafted was Tony Hunt.

This is really relevant insight!
The Franchise
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 5 2017, 07:43 PM) *
This is really relevant insight!


It seemed important enough for Zero to ask, so I threw that in. Of course it's important to look at school draft/success history by position, especially when one person runs a program for 50 years. As a PSU shill like you should know, they're known for producing a lot of solid LB's - not so much in the RB department. Tony Hunt was a star RB in college - for 2 seasons with us, he carried the ball 14 times for 25 yards then found himself unemployed. The rest of the NFL has gotten the memo, as only 6 total PSU RB's have been drafted in the last 20 years. Only one has had even a solid career.

I grew up a Rutgers fan, but have enough intellectual honesty to know that you don't want to be drafting Rutgers players very high, with rare exception. You should follow suit.

mcnabbulous
QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 5 2017, 06:58 PM) *
Of course it's important to look at school draft/success history by position, especially when one person runs a program for 50 years. As a PSU shill like you should know, they're known for producing a lot of solid LB's - not so much in the RB department. Tony Hunt was a star RB in college - for 2 seasons with us, he carried the ball 14 times for 25 yards then found himself unemployed. The rest of the NFL has gotten the memo, as only 6 total PSU RB's have been drafted in the last 20 years. Only one has had even a solid career.

I grew up a Rutgers fan, but have enough intellectual honesty to know that you don't want to be drafting Rutgers players very high, with rare exception. You should follow suit.

And you realize that Saquon Barkely wasn't even really recruited by the guy that followed the guy that ran the program for 50 years. So it's absolutely irrelevant related to Saquon Barkely.

And the fact that PSU was a LB factory for decades is completely irrelevant now.

Saquon is an absolute freak of nature, and barring injury will be an all-time great. He's one of the rare talents worthy of a top-10 pick at that position. Although I would still never draft a RB much higher than 10, because it makes no financial sense.

PSU is in the process of consistently accumulating more talent than they've possibly ever had. At least since the 70s/80s. The program will begin consistently putting high-end draft picks into the league. It started last year with Godwin, who is going to be an excellent WR and was completely under drafted.
The Franchise
He looks like a beast right now. Perhaps that will carry over to the NFL. But I'm suggesting that you're just a tad bit biased since he plays for PSU. It doesn't matter anyway, because in order to be in a position to draft him that means we need a really shitty year.
mcnabbulous
I’d possibly take him #1 at this point. The passing game threat this year has justified it.
mcnabbulous
Seriously though. Did everyone catch his highlights against Iowa? I only caught the second half in real time and he had 4 different plays that were jaw dropping.

I'm absolutely terrified he's going to end up on NYG come next season.
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