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mcnabbulous
Truly the end of the era.

We didn't get the two big names in the Rangers organization, but we got 3 of their top 6 prospects with a few add-ons. Ultimately I think it's a good trade. Let's hope we can contend in 3-4 years.
nephillymike
Wow.

Sad to hear the news.
nephillymike


http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=tex

The article I saw has them getting Hamels and diekman for their 5th, 6th and fucking 29th prospect.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13343205...s-texas-rangers

Incompetence at it's finest, it seems.

For crissakes, Diekman is better than their 29th prospect.

Don;t have the time to look, but it seems we gave up a lot more when we got Halliday, Lee and even Oswalt.

Hamels, Pap and Deikman and a good chunk of Pap's salary for a 5th, 6th, 10th and 29th prospect.

I hope it gets better than this. Maybe it's a misreported as the Foles trade was, only in our favor!
Joegrane
Looks like Amaro is also doing a "Hinkie."

"Veteran Rangers left-hander Matt Harrison also appears to be involved in the deal, according to MLB.com. Harrison is owed $13 million in both 2016 and 2017 and has a club option in 2018. Chronic back injuries have limited the 29-year-old to just nine major-league starts since 2013. "
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadel...s-trade-rangers

Csnphilly lists many players involved in the deal.

QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Jul 29 2015, 10:51 PM) *
Truly the end of the era.

We didn't get the two big names in the Rangers organization, but we got 3 of their top 6 prospects with a few add-ons. Ultimately I think it's a good trade. Let's hope we can contend in 3-4 years.

Reality Fan
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Jul 29 2015, 11:14 PM) *
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=tex

The article I saw has them getting Hamels and diekman for their 5th, 6th and fucking 29th prospect.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13343205...s-texas-rangers

Incompetence at it's finest, it seems.

For crissakes, Diekman is better than their 29th prospect.

Don;t have the time to look, but it seems we gave up a lot more when we got Halliday, Lee and even Oswalt.

Hamels, Pap and Deikman and a good chunk of Pap's salary for a 5th, 6th, 10th and 29th prospect.

I hope it gets better than this. Maybe it's a misreported as the Foles trade was, only in our favor!


per baseball America

Jake Thompson is in the top 50 prospects in baseball....

The players reported are as follows:

Jake Thompson Rangers #3 prospect
Nick Williams Rangers #4 prospect
Jorge Alfaro Rangers #5 prospect

All rankings are per Baseball America;s mid season rankings.

Diekman was a surprise....but he had an ERA over 5 and walks per 9 innings surpassed only by Aumont and Francouer so maybe it should not be
BKRuger
I hope Cole gets some run support in Texas. We aren't contending as long as Ruben is here.
mcnabbulous
Mikey...

You're often delusional when it comes to your expected return for trades, but in this case it's over the top. It was clear we weren't getting any team's sure-fire top prospect (e.g. Seager, Urias, Gallo, etc...)

What we got are 3 raw prospects with some serious upside. And a few complimentary pieces with chances to contribute. If our organization can't do anything with these guys, we're fucked no matter how you slice it.

The talent in our organization aged 22 and under has improved by leaps and bounds in the past 12 months. Not to mention that we're lined up to grab a premier talent at the top of the draft next year. We're going to start to turn things around in 3 years and in 6 we'll be extremely scary across the board. It seems like an eternity, but it's basically the best we could have hoped for with the mismanagement for the past 5 years.

If you want to see how the Rangers fans are feeling about things, take a look at the comments here:
http://www.lonestarball.com/2015/7/29/9071...ce-per#comments

nephillymike
Since I now have the accurate details of the trade, as reported here, I can adjust my review. (BTW, I did issue the caveat and hope that our return was more than reported in the article I linked, which it was)

http://m.phillies.mlb.com/news/article/139...mels-to-rangers

So we got the Rangers 4th, 5th and 6th best prospects along with their 17th and 29th best prospects.

We also got LHP Harrison who is an injured salary dump, with not much of a chance to return to form, but we pay for him we may get use out of him.

We sent 9.5M in cash plus assumed 32.8M in Harrison's future guaranteed salary for cash out of 42M.

They got Hamels and assumed his $81M of future salary.

We netted saving 39M plus any guarantees owed Diekman (not sure if any)

The 3rd, 4th and 6th ranked TEX prospects are rated 60th, 64th and 69th in all of MLB.

All in all, a good deal all things considered.

Disappointed in the Pap deal though, but we got good value for Hamels.

Interesting that Cole had HOU on his no trade list, but not the 3 games below .500 Rangers. Cole refused a trade to HOU that was rumored to be better for us.

Still a sad day. It needed to be done given our dismal short term future but hopefully these will pan out.

Anyone else worth trading? Anyone else get us a team's top 15 prospect?
mcnabbulous
I think it was a fair deal for both squads. The Harrison cash take was in an effort to maximize our talent haul. I bet it was a requirement for one of the top three guys.

We might be able to move Revere or Frenchy. Don't know what either would garner.
mcnabbulous
We got a couple lively arms for Revere. Guys that will likely be in relief due to control issues but have some filthy stuff. No complaints here.
Joegrane
Where are they going to put all of these prospects?! I assume the AA and AAA teams have roster limits. I assume only the veteran pitcher is going to Philly.

QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Jul 31 2015, 03:50 PM) *
We got a couple lively arms for Revere. Guys that will likely be in relief due to control issues but have some filthy stuff. No complaints here.

mcnabbulous
QUOTE (Joegrane @ Jul 31 2015, 03:50 PM) *
Where are they going to put all of these prospects?! I assume the AA and AAA teams have roster limits. I assume only the veteran pitcher is going to Philly.

Williams and Thompson are headed to AA. Alfaro is hurt, so I'm not sure exactly how that works -- but I think he's a AA level prospect. I bet the two other pitchers from Texas are headed to AAA.

I would wager these guys from Toronto are going to AA and A, respectively.

Probably a handful of organizational guys will just get booted to make room for these guys. It's the nature of the beast. Being a minor league ballplayer isn't glamourous.
nephillymike
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Jul 31 2015, 02:50 PM) *
We got a couple lively arms for Revere. Guys that will likely be in relief due to control issues but have some filthy stuff. No complaints here.



A little surprised that neither was a top 30 prospect?

Not a Revere fan at all, but even as a 4th OF who is relatively cheap, I thought that we'd get one of the two picks in the top 30 of the team's prospect, no?
Joegrane
Cole and his wife purchased a nice thank you ad in the paper.
http://twitter.com/jakemkaplan/status/6272...2309889/photo/1
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Jul 31 2015, 10:11 PM) *
A little surprised that neither was a top 30 prospect?

Not a Revere fan at all, but even as a 4th OF who is relatively cheap, I thought that we'd get one of the two picks in the top 30 of the team's prospect, no?

Based on what? From what I saw, the one dude was #9 in their system at one point last year. And there is this.

https://twitter.com/baseballamerica/status/...247051936370688
nephillymike
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Aug 1 2015, 12:11 AM) *
Based on what? From what I saw, the one dude was #9 in their system at one point last year. And there is this.

https://twitter.com/baseballamerica/status/...247051936370688



Based on something relevant like what we gave up for him two off seasons ago:

http://www.startribune.com/twins-trade-ben...hers/182391171/

Worley was a SP who had some success in the bigs and May was one of our top prospects at the time, #2 prospect.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Aug 1 2015, 05:40 AM) *
Based on something relevant like what we gave up for him two off seasons ago:

http://www.startribune.com/twins-trade-ben...hers/182391171/

Worley was a SP who had some success in the bigs and May was one of our top prospects at the time, #2 prospect.

What did you mean by top-30? In their system or all of baseball? If the latter, you're nuts. If the former, the one guy definitely is much higher than that.

May wasn't nearly as well thought of when we traded him. Sure, he was a top prospect at one point, but Revere made more of an impact here than either of those pitchers did in Minnesota.

I guess I'm not sure what you truly would have expected here. Getting a top 10-15 prospect from the Jays for a guy that has no future here seems like a good deal. These guys both have crazy lively arms.
nephillymike
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Aug 1 2015, 07:54 AM) *
What did you mean by top-30? In their system or all of baseball? If the latter, you're nuts. If the former, the one guy definitely is much higher than that.

May wasn't nearly as well thought of when we traded him. Sure, he was a top prospect at one point, but Revere made more of an impact here than either of those pitchers did in Minnesota.

I guess I'm not sure what you truly would have expected here. Getting a top 10-15 prospect from the Jays for a guy that has no future here seems like a good deal. These guys both have crazy lively arms.



No, in their system, of course not all of baseball !!

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=tor

May was the #2 prospect in our system at the time we traded him to MIN and that was in December, not the blurred vision of a playoff race trades that happen around the end of July.
nephillymike
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Aug 1 2015, 01:10 PM) *
No, in their system, of course not all of baseball !!

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=tor

May was the #2 prospect in our system at the time we traded him to MIN and that was in December, not the blurred vision of a playoff race trades that happen around the end of July.



Never mind.

I think they quickly removed the prospects from the Blue Jays section so they weren't there when I sourced it last night. The other day, they kept the Rangers guys on their section for a while..

The one guy was #16 preseason for the Jays prospects. No word on the other guy. Assuming the #16 guy didn't drop out of the top 30 since preseason, then at least we got one top 20 guy and another who seems like he has a shot to move up on the prospect board.

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