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nephillymike
http://www.businessinsider.com/sixers-trad...ngs-deal-2015-7

I haven't had much time to look into this, but Decamra and others are touting this as a coup of all coups.

Many times, things that sound too good to be true actually are when all the particulars come out.

Last time I remember a reported trade being too god to be true was this year when it was advertised that we traded Foles and the 20th pick for Bradford and the 10th pick and a 2016 second round pick.

I get the feeling that this one isn't as good as advertised. Not saying it isn't good, but not as good as currently reported.

If anyone knows, I am interested to know this.

What is the fair market value of a team wanting to have another team assume $13M of salary cap? My gut feel is that we and other teams have done this recently and the FMV was no where near this expensive. Any examples out there?

Is the FMV for $13M really, a top ten protected 1st round pick, plus the right to swap draft positions for two years?

The three mid to low bench players we got is even likely better than the two foreign 2nd round picks and the future 2nd round pick we gave up, if winning games matters that is.

My suspicions are that the draft pick is a few years down the road and the swap options are either only one time useable but we have two years to use it (as opposed to bein able to use it twice), and/or the swaps are also protected if the Kings pick in the top X spots.

On another note, the Lakers GM has been told he's out if the LAL don't make the playoffs. That likely devalues our LAL pick we have for next year.

I'll look into it after work but wanted to see if anyone else has information or could find information.

I've heard it's not finalized until six days from now.

Any info would be great.
nephillymike
OK, here's some details:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pattiso...-Stauskas-.html


With regard to the 1st round draft pick, we get it 2 yrs AFTER the Kings obligation of the pick to Chicago ends.

As of right now, CHI owns SAC 1st round pick in 2016, but it is top 10 protected. If it doesn't pay in 2016, they get it in 2017, top 10 protected.

In 2016, if SAC pick is in the top 10, they do not give their pick to CHI. However, the Sixers have the right to swap our pick with SAC if SAC's pick is better. If they are outside of top 10, CHI gets the pick and we can't swap it and we would then get the rights to SAC 1st round pick in 2018 (2 years after settled with CHI)

If CHI doesn't get SAC pick in 2016, they retain the rights to that pick if it is not a top 10 pick in 2017. If it is top 10, the Sixers can swap picks with SAC if they have the better pick. If it outside the top 10 in 2017 and CHI didn't take it in 2016, CHI gets SAC 1st round pick in 2017 and the Sixers would get SAC's 1st round pick in 2019 (2 years after settled with CHI)

If the pick is not settled with CHI in 2017, CHI gets SAC's 2nd round pick in 2018 to settle their deal and we would get SAC's 1st round pick in 2020 (2 yrs after)

So, here's how it looks by year for the Sixers and this deal:

2016 SAC in top 10 and our pick is lower than SAC's, we swap picks and take SAC's pick.
2016 SAC in top 10 and our pick is better than SAC"S, we keep our pick
2016 SAC not in top 10, CHI gets SAC pick, we keep our 1st round pick, and we get SAC 1st rnd pick in '18 (top 10 prot)

If CHI didn't get SAC pick in 2016:
2017 SAC in top 10 and our pick is lower than SAC's, we swap picks and take SAC's pick.
2017 SAC in top 10 and our pick is better than SAC"S, we keep our pick
2017 SAC not in top 10, CHI gets SAC pick, we keep our 1st round pick, and we get SAC 1st rnd pick in '19 (top 10 prot)

If CHI got SAC pick in 2016
2017 SAC is better than ours, we swap picks and take SAC's pick.
2017 SAC in top 10 and our pick is better than SAC"S, we keep our pick
We get SAC 1st round pick in '18 (top 10 protected)

A few things we don't know:

1. Are the swap rights protected. (ie if SAC is top X can we swap?) You would think they would be protected, but they sure don't seem smart so who knows. Were they dumb enough to let us swap the 1st pick overall? I doubt it.

2. Do we have the right to swap twice in the years 2016-2017, or do we have the right to swap once in the two year period?

3. How many years do we get the rights to SAC's 1st round pick (top 10 protected). Normally it is two years with the third year devaluing to a 2nd round pick (like the SAC - CHI deal) BTW, that always amuses me. Why do they get to have it devalued to a 2nd round pick which is virtually useless? They should have it be a player (the team can remove 7 or so players from the list and the team can pick from the non reserved players.

How did it work out in FA for SAC?

They offered Matthews the most money and he went to DAL.
They offered Ellis the most money and he is going to IND.
They got PG Rondo for one year 10M (should start at PG, but share some minutes)
They got SG Belinelli for 3yrs, 19M. (should be 1st or 2nd off the bench player and 3pt specialist)

So a bad team offered the most money and didn't land those they wanted. We should pay close attention so we get good enough for interest.

Also, this just in. Deandre Jordan took $28M less over the entire contract to go from LAC to DAL. We definitely need to be salesmen to land FA's in the NBA. Good enough and good at selling our team.

As far as their team goes, they got Rondo and Belinelli for Stauskas, Landry and Thomspon. They've improved their team this year more than we did ours. Hopefully we will have improved ours more in the future.

How good are the guys we got?

PF J. Thompson 24.6MPG, 6.1PPG, 6.5RPG, 1.0APG, 10.2 PersonalEfficiency Rating
PF C Landry 17.0MPG, 7.2 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 0.4 APG 14.9 PER
SG N. Stauskas 15.4MPG, 4.4PPG, 1.2 RPG, 0.9 APG 7.5 PER

Here are some comparisons to guys in similar depth chart spots on our team this year:

PF Mbai a Mote 28.6MPG, 9.9 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 1.6 APG, 10.6 PER
PF T. Robinson 18.5MPG, 8.8PPG, 7.7 RPG, 1.1 APG, 19.4 PER
SG J Sampson 10.3 MPG, 9.4 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 1.0 APG 9.4 PER

So at first glance, it doesn't look like we upgraded much and maybe took a step back in talent.

However, putting a better team out there this year was not the goal.

Up until now, I didn't think any of the moves made by Hinkie tok any talent. Basically, it was put the worst team out there, tank like we never tanked before, and then take the best prospect at whatever draft pick we got.

This one is different. To sniff out SAC as a desperate team and to move in for the kill was a skillful move. If we got what I think we got above that it's a coup! On the other hand, how bad is Vlade Divac as a GM? They couldn't get a better deal elsewhere? Maybe we approached them and nobody else did? Hard to believe.

In any event, good job by the Hinkster.
JaxEagle
Our future draft prospects are more complicated than I care to try to sort out but I am interested in the 76ers once again. I am hoping we can find a way to use all of the big men or trade them while they have enough value to bring us something we need more.

I wish I had a Sixers hat to wear today for the 4th of July festivities. Being as though I do not and can't pick one up locally, I will just have to go with the Phils hat. Hey, we are bad right now but I still love my club!


Happy 4th!
mcnabbulous
I believe we could swap for the #1 pick if that's how it plays out. That's my understanding of things.
nephillymike
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13198910...valuable-lesson

Hinkie needs to understand we need to get good players and good free agents to get very good free agents and we need very good free agents to get the great ones. Hopefully our players will be good enough to get god free agents but as the article says, we are at step zero of a four step program.
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