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nephillymike
Nobody knows what, but the options for "big" aren't very appealing.

Adam Caplan is on now, and he knows a bunch about Jackson, but doesn't know what is brewing.

Earlier media reports were leaning toward supporting Howie, saying that Chip seems to be out of line.

I'll throw this out there.

For a guy to get escorted out of the building, my guess that it became physical. Howie and him probably got into a heated argument, Gamble or Howie took it to a physical level, and Tom was fired and escorted from the office.

FWIW, Howie tried to hire Gamble the year before Chip came in, so he wanted Gamble and he approved of his hire.

A second guess here is that Howie is the issue. When so many top executive/scout managment types leave year after year, many times to success elsewhere (Riddick, Grigson), when apparently others had warned Chip not to take the job because of the front office disfunction but then changed his mind after Chip got more control, then I lean toward Howie being the problem.

Also, I think that when Chip gave the endorsement of Gamble on Monday, he was giving the endorsement to someone who wanted to be a GM and Chip knew it wasn't going to happen here and knew the parting was happening, thus the comment if he wanted to pursue that position, Chip said he would help him. My guess is that during the "exit" interview, things got heated and security was called and the mutual parting didn't seem so mutual.

All speculation of course, but based on situations I've seen when security was called in and trying to make sense of what Chip said Monday.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Jan 2 2015, 06:24 PM) *
For a guy to get escorted out of the building, my guess that it became physical. Howie and him probably got into a heated argument, Gamble or Howie took it to a physical level, and Tom was fired and escorted from the office.


Speculation based on everything we've been seeing suggests that Howie may be the epitome of a corporate cancer, someone who's solely obsessed with climbing a never-ending ladder. Think Petyr Baelish from Game of Thrones. Maybe I'm being harsh - after all who really knows other than the actual people involved?

By the way, in that matchup my money is on Tom Gamble - knockout in Round 1.
Zero
So, apparently Howie gets "promoted" out of GM and Kelly gets full control and will hire a new personnel guy. To be a fly on the wall.
nephillymike
Here's the thing.

It is possible for a "non football guy" to be good at evaluating talent and for a "football guy" not to be.

If Howie had a good eye for talent, I would not begrudge a numbers guy of those responsibilities.

I would think that if he was good at it, others would respect it too.

The guy from the NYG, Accorsi was a writer and he did fine.

But he must have not done well and must have alienated the scouts. Lurie's comments about talking to other senior management was very telling.
Zero
What's interesting in this is that it was Howie who worked overtime to get both Gamble and Kelly to come to Philadelphia. From what we've read Howie was persistent and driven to hire both men.
JaxEagle
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Jan 2 2015, 06:59 PM) *
By the way, in that matchup my money is on Tom Gamble - knockout in Round 1.

Duh that's a no-brainer.


I think the big issue was resolved after a very very long discussion. I actually got the transcript from the conversation.

Chip: Mr. Lurie, please have your little buddy get out of my way or I will go coach the Jets/Raiders/Bears/etc.

Jeffrey: I will tell Howie to stick with reviewing contracts.

Chip: Thank you

Jeffrey: Have a good day
koolaidluke
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Jan 2 2015, 06:59 PM) *
Think Petyr Baelish from Game of Thrones.


Yes!
Phits
QUOTE (JaxEagle @ Jan 2 2015, 11:01 PM) *
Duh that's a no-brainer.


I think the big issue was resolved after a very very long discussion. I actually got the transcript from the conversation.

Chip: Mr. Lurie, please have your little buddy get out of my way or I will go coach the Jets/Raiders/Bears/etc.

Jeffrey: I will tell Howie to stick with reviewing contracts.

Chip: Thank you

Jeffrey: Have a good day

post of the young 2015 year. laugh.gif
JaxEagle
QUOTE (Phits @ Jan 3 2015, 02:52 AM) *
post of the young 2015 year. laugh.gif

Lol. Now it will be interesting to see if we add a scout guy to the staff or if Chip is literally the Coach/GM.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (JaxEagle @ Jan 2 2015, 11:01 PM) *
I think the big issue was resolved after a very very long discussion. I actually got the transcript from the conversation.

Chip: Mr. Lurie, please have your little buddy get out of my way or I will go coach the Jets/Raiders/Bears/etc.

Jeffrey: I will tell Howie to stick with reviewing contracts.

Chip: Thank you

Jeffrey: Have a good day


Probably some more colorful language, but yeah pretty much.

I suppose Chip could hire Tom Gamble right back to further troll Howie and the fan base. tongue.gif
JaxEagle
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Jan 3 2015, 11:37 AM) *
Probably some more colorful language, but yeah pretty much.

I suppose Chip could hire Tom Gamble right back to further troll Howie and the fan base. tongue.gif

That would be classic
JeeQ
In classic Eagles fashion the first name to pop up for GM is Ed Marynowitz. So unlike the Eagles to fire someone and then promote someone from in-house on the cheap. It worked so well for our defensive coordinator replacement...

QUOTE
With Howie Roseman no longer the G.M. of the Eagles and with coach Chip Kelly now fully in charge of the team’s personnel department, Kelly will be hiring a personnel executive.

The first name to emerge as a serious candidate for the position belongs to assistant director of player personnel Ed Marynowitz. Pronounced man-o-witz, he joined the Eagles in 2012 after a stint with Alabama as Nick Saban’s director of the team’s recruiting efforts.

Marynowitz previously worked with the Dolphins in 2008, under V.P. of football operations Bill Parcells and G.M. Jeff Ireland.

The end result will be a power structure similar to the one Bill Belichick enjoys in New England, with the head coach running the show and a right-hand man setting the table from a personnel standpoint. Roseman will be responsible for negotiating the contracts with the players Kelly wants, and managing the salary cap.


Meanwhile Chip is taking more plays from the Book Of Belichick... the only mystery is if Chip has the power now, and Chip and Gamble were friends, why fire him? Also the final fun addition... now that Chip is in charge of players does he sell everything in an attempt to get his wonder boy Mariota?

Current Tally: Roseman: 1, Chip: 2
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (JeeQ @ Jan 3 2015, 01:02 PM) *
now that Chip is in charge of players does he sell everything in an attempt to get his wonder boy Mariota?


The nightmare scenario is we mortgage our franchise, Mariota sucks, and Chip bounces back to college and we have to hear about him as a potential NFL coaching candidate every year for the next 2 decades, along with the word 'Spurrier' in the same sentence.

The pipe dream scenario is we do the same thing, Mariota is amazing, and we win several championships, prompting Lurie's film company to make a movie about what an amazing owner he is, and the struggles of building his fortune through blood, sweat, and tears.

The rational scenario is we concentrate on making our secondary competent, and possibly going after a WR in free agency.

Ah, the joys of being an Eagles fan - and the playoffs haven't even started yet!
JaxEagle
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Jan 3 2015, 01:47 PM) *
The nightmare scenario is we mortgage our franchise, Mariota sucks, and Chip bounces back to college and we have to hear about him as a potential NFL coaching candidate every year for the next 2 decades, along with the word 'Spurrier' in the same sentence.

The pipe dream scenario is we do the same thing, Mariota is amazing, and we win several championships, prompting Lurie's film company to make a movie about what an amazing owner he is, and the struggles of building his fortune through blood, sweat, and tears.

The rational scenario is we concentrate on making our secondary competent, and possibly going after a WR in free agency.

Ah, the joys of being an Eagles fan - and the playoffs haven't even started yet!

exactly!
JaxEagle
QUOTE (JeeQ @ Jan 3 2015, 01:02 PM) *
In classic Eagles fashion the first name to pop up for GM is Ed Marynowitz. So unlike the Eagles to fire someone and then promote someone from in-house on the cheap. It worked so well for our defensive coordinator replacement...



Meanwhile Chip is taking more plays from the Book Of Belichick... the only mystery is if Chip has the power now, and Chip and Gamble were friends, why fire him? Also the final fun addition... now that Chip is in charge of players does he sell everything in an attempt to get his wonder boy Mariota?

Current Tally: Roseman: 1, Chip: 2



Wow, how unique. You mean Lurie had Marynowitz underneath Roseman? Is Goldstein underneath Marynowitz? What a great strategy, let's fill our personnel department with little fantasy football guys that have no football experience. I bet they know their stats great!!!
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