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nephillymike
They were saying this on 97.5 but I didn't catch the entire thing and then the commercials hit.
nephillymike
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/art...8b-ba9af72963a9

The brevity speaks volumes.

Jeez!!

We don't need this.

He's the only one of the three who is a known and respected for knowing how to pick NFL talent.

Man.........................
nephillymike
Listen to this Podcast from Tim McManus.

He was escorted from the building.

This doesn't sound good

http://www.975thefanatic.com/teams/eagles/...le-parting-ways
JeeQ
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Officially, it’s a mutual parting. Unofficially, the Eagles have fired V.P. of player personnel Tom Gamble.

Quasi-officially, the Eagles could become the 2015 version of the 49ers.

Geoff Mosher of CSNPhilly.com explains that the development can be construed as a “stern message” to coach Chip Kelly, who had been developing a close relationship with Gamble.

Citing multiple unnamed sources, Mosher writes that tension has developed between Roseman and Kelly, while Kelly and Gamble had grown closer. Mosher also points to Kelly’s end-of-season press-conference comments regarding Roseman and Gamble.

Kelly described his relationship with Roseman simply as “good.” Regarding Gamble, Kelly had much more to say when asked about Gamble as a potential G.M. candidate.

“I think Tom does an outstanding job and if he has the opportunity to do that, then I would support him in anything,” Kelly said. “And if I can give him any help in that situation I would. But he’s a heck of a football guy.”

It’s possible Kelly was propping up a guy that Kelly knew was on the outs. Mosher’s characterization suggests something far more dysfunctional.

Owner Jeffrey Lurie recently said Roseman “absolutely” will be back in 2015, but it tensions exist between coach and G.M. and if leaks commence like they did in 2014 for the 49ers, the relationship could be doomed — especially if the Eagles miss the playoffs again next season.


Roseman: 1, Chip: 0

Releasing DeSean + Drafting Marcus Smith = Unemployment
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Dec 31 2014, 05:20 PM) *
They were saying this on 97.5 but I didn't catch the entire thing and then the commercials hit.


Huge news indeed - I'm sure talk radio will be going nuts for a while on this. They already removed Gamble's bio from the website. Ouch.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (JeeQ @ Dec 31 2014, 05:47 PM) *
Roseman: 1, Chip: 0

Releasing DeSean + Drafting Marcus Smith = Unemployment


Hear Hear!

Oh wait nevermind, our culture improved..... rolleyes.gif
JeeQ
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Dec 31 2014, 03:03 PM) *
Hear Hear!

Oh wait nevermind, our culture improved..... rolleyes.gif


I hear there's going to be an article released later today linking Gamble to gang activities... Apparently Gamble is all about that thug life
nephillymike
Chip did not give Howie a ringing endorsement and he did efuse praise on Gamble.

This is not good.

For you oldtimers, we could be back to the arguing Modrak pick vs. Heckert pick.

Remember those fun times?
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (JeeQ @ Dec 31 2014, 06:09 PM) *
I hear there's going to be an article released later today linking Gamble to gang activities... Apparently Gamble is all about that thug life


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Tom Gamble is totally a skinhead.
nephillymike
And the drama continues:

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadel...eman-chip-kelly


and it is rumored that Roseman looked into the NYJ GM job!!

This ain't good. Kelly doesn't bullshit much so it will be interesting to see how he tells it.

Seems like the "football" guys won't let the "cap and contract" guy be a respected member of the personnel evaluation.

If Howie doesn't have Chip's respect now, he never will. A forced relationship won't work.

Chip has too many options to stick in a bad situation.

This turmoil has been present for many years undr Lurie. I wonder what managment style trait he has that allows this sort of thing.
JeeQ
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Dec 31 2014, 07:16 PM) *
And the drama continues:

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadel...eman-chip-kelly


and it is rumored that Roseman looked into the NYJ GM job!!

This ain't good. Kelly doesn't bullshit much so it will be interesting to see how he tells it.

Seems like the "football" guys won't let the "cap and contract" guy be a respected member of the personnel evaluation.

If Howie doesn't have Chip's respect now, he never will. A forced relationship won't work.

Chip has too many options to stick in a bad situation.

This turmoil has been present for many years undr Lurie. I wonder what managment style trait he has that allows this sort of thing.


I imagine Howie is somewhere selling Lurie on the idea of Harbaugh right now
koolaidluke
Do not underestimate Howie. This is a guy who managed to push Joe Banner out of the Eagles organization.
nephillymike
QUOTE (koolaidluke @ Jan 1 2015, 05:40 AM) *
Do not underestimate Howie. This is a guy who managed to push Joe Banner out of the Eagles organization.



Joe Banner's allowing Dawkins to leave pushed Joe Banner out of the Eagles organization.
Zero
With all this turmoil, what are the chances an ex-GM is in Lurie's sights?
Link 1 ...
Link 2 ...

I'm officially starting to worry about this team.
BirdsWinBaby
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Dec 31 2014, 10:16 PM) *
Seems like the "football" guys won't let the "cap and contract" guy be a respected member of the personnel evaluation.


as it should be....the knock on Howie from the start is that he wasnt a football guy. can you imagine the personal affront it must be to guy like Chip Kelly who actually played football, has lived and breathed nothing but football since before his young hotshot GM was trying to get a date for the prom?

'WE evaluate players, WE know football...you make the numbers work...now please close the door on your way out, thanks'

unfortunately for Chip, his owner likes the young hotshot GM which means Chip cant tell Howie to be quiet when grown folks are talking

hopefully this isnt a big deal and just stuff for writers to write...we will see
BirdsWinBaby
i do find it interesting tho that almost EVERY other GM in the NFL is older than Howie and has either played football, has a scouting background or both

except for the Saints GM, who was a finance guy too...but he has a masters degree in sports mgt, a superbowl ring and was once executive of the year. he gets respect

even the suckiest teams have football guys as GM....the raiders, The Bucs...even Jerry Jones played football

i gotta think that in a room full of GMs, there has to be a few sideways glances at Lurie and 'that numbers guy'
nephillymike
Some more fallout:

Read the links that are in the main story. The one is really revealing.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/...ut-g-m-vacancy/
HOUSEoPAIN
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as it should be....the knock on Howie from the start is that he wasnt a football guy. can you imagine the personal affront it must be to guy like Chip Kelly who actually played football, has lived and breathed nothing but football since before his young hotshot GM was trying to get a date for the prom?


Ruben Amaro has lived and breathed baseball his entire life, born into the epitome of a baseball family. Last I checked, the Phillies have a $175 million dollar payroll and Vegas had them at 250/1 odds to win it all this year - tied with the Twins for last. Your point?

Why do so many people assume that just because someone played a sport that means only they are qualified to evaluate talent? David Akers was a great NFL kicker for over a decade - so he's better suited to draft a QB than someone who never played? Andy Reid played in college, and has been coaching for 30 years in college and the NFL - does that mean that we who understand math can't criticize his illogical clock management, and ridiculous play calling imbalance?

Apart from evaluating personnel at the exact position someone actually played professionally, there's nothing that separates talent evaluators who played or didn't. As you mention, even the suckiest franchises have people who played in the front office - great. rolleyes.gif

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'WE evaluate players, WE know football...you make the numbers work...now please close the door on your way out, thanks'


"WE released a Pro-Bowl WR in his prime for nothing in return, WE extended Riley Cooper, WE drafted Marcus Smith in the 1st round....." Uh, yeah.

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unfortunately for Chip, his owner likes the young hotshot GM which means Chip cant tell Howie to be quiet when grown folks are talking


If Roseman was indeed responsible for only the 2012 draft, 2013 was a 'collaborative effort,' and 2014 was all Chip/Gamble, then by all means, tell Chip to sit on the field and coach, and do NOTHING else but listen to Howie.

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hopefully this isnt a big deal and just stuff for writers to write...we will see


It's a huge deal. The only thing that separates us from 'dumpster fire' organizations is the illusion of heading towards a championship. At least our fans have the carrot and stick in front of them.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Dec 31 2014, 10:16 PM) *
Kelly doesn't bullshit much so it will be interesting to see how he tells it.


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Just because he talks really fast doesn't mean anything truthful is coming out of his mouth.....
nephillymike
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Jan 1 2015, 02:56 PM) *
laugh.gif

Just because he talks really fast doesn't mean anything truthful is coming out of his mouth.....


Not really.

His short answer of "good" as to his relationship with Roseman, and his long praise of Gamble were very revealing.

I think we will learn a lot.

If Howie is the better drafter, it would be interesting to see how that works in practice.

When he was with Reid, how did they keep track of who Howie wanted? Did they all submit separate ballots for the draft and then all pretend to back the selections made?

Based on this year's playing time of the picks, and that there is no mistake that Chip decides who plays, I could see these picks being Howie's and Chip's refusal to play many of them being a thorn in Howie's side. If Chip picked Smith, he would be slamming himself if he didn't play him and said relatively harsh things about him. Same with Watkins, Hart, Huff.

Chip had opportunities to play them, but if they weren't "his" guys, then his hesitency is understandable.

Given their playing time, it is more likely that the 2014 picks were Howie's. I mean you have five LB's hurt and you find no time for your 1st round pick and are adamant about not playing him? I think he would have been knider to his own picks.

Just my opinion.
HOUSEoPAIN
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When he was with Reid, how did they keep track of who Howie wanted? Did they all submit separate ballots for the draft and then all pretend to back the selections made?


If Lurie is to be believed, the only draft where Howie had absolute power and deserves full credit/blame was 2012. That also happened to be an excellent draft for the Eagles, arguably the best one since 2002.

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Based on this year's playing time of the picks, and that there is no mistake that Chip decides who plays, I could see these picks being Howie's and Chip's refusal to play many of them being a thorn in Howie's side. If Chip picked Smith, he would be slamming himself if he didn't play him and said relatively harsh things about him. Same with Watkins, Hart, Huff.

Chip had opportunities to play them, but if they weren't "his" guys, then his hesitency is understandable.

Given their playing time, it is more likely that the 2014 picks were Howie's. I mean you have five LB's hurt and you find no time for your 1st round pick and are adamant about not playing him? I think he would have been knider to his own picks.


I don't think that's likely. If we're going the conspiracy theory route, it would be more likely that he's simply covering his ass by not putting him on the field to showcase how terrible he is. Remember the Gore play? "Aww shit, that's my man."

But I think Smith didn't play much just because he blows, and isn't better than the other guys being put out there. After all, how much of Fletcher did we need to see before giving Carroll a chance? As it turns out, with Carroll getting the start in the final game, Randle and Beckham combined for 343 yards!
BirdsWinBaby
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Jan 1 2015, 02:54 PM) *
Why do so many people assume that just because someone played a sport that means only they are qualified to evaluate talent?


yea maybe they are assuming that cuz NFL owners get football people (like i stated, not all have played) for GMs...not young cap guys. maybe its just a coincidence...lol

aside from that my point was more about how executives (with football backgrounds) would likely regard someone like Roseman and how that might contribute to the relationship between Chip and Howie

HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (BirdsWinBaby @ Jan 1 2015, 03:32 PM) *
aside from that my point was more about how executives (with football backgrounds) would likely regard someone like Roseman and how that might contribute to the relationship between Chip and Howie


I agree with that, a 'football guy' would look down upon and dismiss a geek like Roseman - especially if the geek does a better job of evaluating talent. wink.gif
Zero
I don't think its a good sign that there's been a string of personnel people leaving Philadelphia since Howie was named GM.
nephillymike
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Jan 1 2015, 03:27 PM) *
If Lurie is to be believed, the only draft where Howie had absolute power and deserves full credit/blame was 2012. That also happened to be an excellent draft for the Eagles, arguably the best one since 2002.



I don't think that's likely. If we're going the conspiracy theory route, it would be more likely that he's simply covering his ass by not putting him on the field to showcase how terrible he is. Remember the Gore play? "Aww shit, that's my man."

But I think Smith didn't play much just because he blows, and isn't better than the other guys being put out there. After all, how much of Fletcher did we need to see before giving Carroll a chance? As it turns out, with Carroll getting the start in the final game, Randle and Beckham combined for 343 yards!



I specifically remember Andy Reid praising Howie for the background work he did on Watkins (the OL not the DB) and I remember Howie coming on WIP that weekend like a cheshire cat. He owned the Danny Watkins pick. Make no mistakes about that. As to whether or not he owned the others in the 2011 draft, if he was given the say on the fist pick, he probably owned the rest also.
nephillymike
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Jan 1 2015, 03:27 PM) *
If Lurie is to be believed, the only draft where Howie had absolute power and deserves full credit/blame was 2012. That also happened to be an excellent draft for the Eagles, arguably the best one since 2002.



I don't think that's likely. If we're going the conspiracy theory route, it would be more likely that he's simply covering his ass by not putting him on the field to showcase how terrible he is. Remember the Gore play? "Aww shit, that's my man."

But I think Smith didn't play much just because he blows, and isn't better than the other guys being put out there. After all, how much of Fletcher did we need to see before giving Carroll a chance? As it turns out, with Carroll getting the start in the final game, Randle and Beckham combined for 343 yards!



If he picked them, I don't think he would have had the strong words of criticism. The whole disertation about having to prove your worth in the NFL before the Giants game. While I agree with what he said, the frankness and framing leads me to believe he was ripping someone else's picks. If he siad, they're getting a lot better but not there yet etc. that's one thing. But the whole"they need a lot of improvement, this is the NFL talk, was over the top a bit, looking at it in hindsight of recent events.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Jan 1 2015, 04:56 PM) *
I specifically remember Andy Reid praising Howie for the background work he did on Watkins (the OL not the DB) and I remember Howie coming on WIP that weekend like a cheshire cat. He owned the Danny Watkins pick. Make no mistakes about that. As to whether or not he owned the others in the 2011 draft, if he was given the say on the fist pick, he probably owned the rest also.


More drama.

Would Gamble have been axed just for that? Not sure, though Chip (for now) is invincible, and it's pretty indisputable that Howie is pissed off at Chip. Stupid comments by him, you can't do that publicly.

I'm not a Howie lover or a Howie hater, so I'm not 'defending' him, just going by what I know and what we're told. Do you remember Reid's exact quote about Watkins? Doing 'background work' on Watkins would seem to fit Roseman's job description at the time, did he ever say that interest in him was because of Howie?

Should be a fun offseason! jumpclap.gif
Dreagon
This is really weird to read about, and then see the comments it generates. Mainly because when you think of professional front offices in the NFC East, the Eagles are the first to come to mind. I suppose the Giants aren't too bad either (although why they haven't fired Fewell yet is beyond me).
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (Dreagon @ Jan 2 2015, 05:36 AM) *
This is really weird to read about, and then see the comments it generates. Mainly because when you think of professional front offices in the NFC East, the Eagles are the first to come to mind. I suppose the Giants aren't too bad either (although why they haven't fired Fewell yet is beyond me).


The Giants have won 2 recent Super Bowls, and the Cowboys IMO have pretty consistently put good talent on the field for some time - it's the Jerry Jones shenanigans, Romo collapses, and NY/Coughlin media drama that always cover that up. Hell, the Giants just drafted the next Jerry Rice - ODB will be killing us for the next decade.

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