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Zero
We've read the anonymous player quotes and watched Jackson pout off the field following the Eagles first 2014 game against the Redskins. Then we see him torch the Eagles last week and flaunt his true self to the world doing a bird dance with kick, saying "get the fucking birds out of here!" Link ...

“They’re very naive and they play how they play. They could care less who is out there or who is at wide receiver, they’re going to play their defense the way they play it,” he said. “That’s the Philadelphia Eagle defense. I’ve been there a lot of years and witnessed a lot of players – wide receivers, tight ends – get off on some huge games on them, and I’m just happy to be on this side and be able to send them home with a loss.” Here ...

That punk has no class, and although I'd love to see his speed and talent on the Eagles I hope he burns and crashes. He and Snyder deserve each other.
SAM I Am
QUOTE (Zero @ Dec 26 2014, 07:02 AM) *
We've read the anonymous player quotes and watched Jackson pout off the field following the Eagles first 2014 game against the Redskins. Then we see him torch the Eagles last week and flaunt his true self to the world doing a bird dance with kick, saying "get the fucking birds out of here!" Link ...

“They’re very naive and they play how they play. They could care less who is out there or who is at wide receiver, they’re going to play their defense the way they play it,” he said. “That’s the Philadelphia Eagle defense. I’ve been there a lot of years and witnessed a lot of players – wide receivers, tight ends – get off on some huge games on them, and I’m just happy to be on this side and be able to send them home with a loss.” Here ...

That punk has no class, and although I'd love to see his speed and talent on the Eagles I hope he burns and crashes. He and Snyder deserve each other.

Somebody should remind this no class punk that his team's record is 4 - 11; but I doubt he even cares about that. The only thing he cares about is himself.

I can guarantee, not one person in the Eagles' organization from the owner on down to the guy who picks the balls up off the field after practice misses desean jackson, the person.
HobbEs
And yet people wonder why Chip sent him packing... hunch.gif
Eyrie
QUOTE (HobbEs @ Dec 26 2014, 02:11 PM) *
And yet people wonder why Chip sent him packing... hunch.gif

.... whilst overlooking that there wasn't a rush to sign him as a free agent. Wasn't Snyder was the only bidder?
mcnabbulous
Of course he's a punk bitch, but he played a huge role in ending our season. His gloating, given the circumstances, is deserved.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (SAM I Am @ Dec 26 2014, 07:39 AM) *
Somebody should remind this no class punk that his team's record is 4 - 11; but I doubt he even cares about that. The only thing he cares about is himself.

I can guarantee, not one person in the Eagles' organization from the owner on down to the guy who picks the balls up off the field after practice misses desean jackson, the person.

A lot of players were quoted off the record as thinking we made a bad decision, after the game last weekend.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (Zero @ Dec 26 2014, 07:02 AM) *
That punk has no class, and although I'd love to see his speed and talent on the Eagles I hope he burns and crashes. He and Snyder deserve each other.


"I love his personality and class....." said no Eagles fan ever. What we DID love was his production.

Our Gold Standard organization was equally classless, cutting a Pro-Bowler 35 minutes after an article about his alleged gang ties came out, followed by the lamest of the lame explanations we could have expected after the fallout.

Chip's mistake came back to haunt us, ending our season - I'd be dancing around flapping my arms too.
Phits
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Dec 26 2014, 12:36 PM) *
I'd be dancing around flapping my arms too.

Why is that not surprising?
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (Phits @ Dec 26 2014, 01:33 PM) *
Why is that not surprising?


Just own that you've been wrong on this since March, and focus on defending his next terrible personnel move.
Phits
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Dec 26 2014, 12:19 PM) *
A lot of players were quoted off the record as thinking we made a bad decision, after the game last weekend.

Imaginary "players" going off the record griping about personnel decisions 15 games into the season...after a loss even rolleyes.gif
Phits
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Dec 26 2014, 01:35 PM) *
Just own that you've been wrong on this since March, and focus on defending his next terrible personnel move.

As I have said all along, Maclin is the better receiver/player/person. That's the kind of guy I don't mind cheering for. He equaled, even surpassed Jacko's production from last season.

Unlike you, I am aware that this team is several key players away from being legitimate contenders. I don't feel that they should spend money on players who don't fit the culture and/or scheme. Losing Jacko may be heartbreaking for you, but not me.

The fact that the Eagles were willing to jettison a player coming off of his best season as a pro and get nothing in return tells me that the problem far exceeded his production value. Some argue that the Eagles are cheap, but they aren't a stupid. There was something rotten and it had to be excised.

That's it. That's all.
HobbEs
1989: Buddy Ryan cuts Chris Carter. There must be something wrong with Carter.
2014: Chip Kelly cuts Desean Jackson. There must be something wrong with Kelly.

How times have changed...
SAM I Am
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Dec 26 2014, 12:36 PM) *
Chip's mistake came back to haunt us, ending our season

Please. To say that the Eagles are on the outside looking in because of desean jackson is just absurd.
koolaidluke
Nobody has ever disputed that Desean was/is a piece of shit. So what? What does that have to do with anything?

I'm not even going to say cutting him was a mistake because we might not have all the facts, but if Chip truly just cut him because he was sick of dealing with him than yeah I think that was a big mistake. But it's his team.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (SAM I Am @ Dec 26 2014, 02:44 PM) *
Please. To say that the Eagles are on the outside looking in because of desean jackson is just absurd.


The only thing absurd about this topic is the amount of denial on this board. Maybe you missed the game on Saturday? Even if you did, there was no deep threat on the field all year, and that impacted our offense against better defenses.
JeeQ
Kicked him off the team then get upset when he kicks you out of the playoffs...

Sounds like karma to me... they tried to assassinate his character and he assassinated our secondary

The last laugh goes to DeSean Jackson

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They’re very naive and they play how they play. They could care less who is out there or who is at wide receiver, they’re going to play their defense the way they play it,” he said. “That’s the Philadelphia Eagle defense. I’ve been there a lot of years and witnessed a lot of players – wide receivers, tight ends – get off on some huge games on them, and I’m just happy to be on this side and be able to send them home with a loss.” Here ...


Also I don't see anything wrong in this statement... Do players have epic games against the Philadelphia Eagles defense? All the fucking time... did you miss the 3 TD Dez Bryant game with the playoffs on the line? What about Aaron Rodgers surgically dissecting every aspect of the defense for 50+? Or did you miss the laughable fact that even after Dez torched Fletcher for 3 TDs he still kept Fletcher on him in One Vs One coverage. Then the genius is going against an even faster WR in DeSean Jackson and plays the same One Vs One coverage with Fletcher on DeSean Jackson... which results in two 50+ yards plays and an exit out of the playoffs... I'm going to out on a limb here and say when we play the Giants the genius is going to put Fletcher on Odell Beckham One Vs One...

Can't wait for the Chip presser where he calls "insert player that torched us" the most talented player he's ever seen then continue to preach why you don't need talent when you have culture.

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In his first season with the Redskins, Jackson has 54 catches for 1,083 yards and five touchdowns. Of those 54 catches, 12 have gone for 40 yards or more, and three of those came against his former team. The Eagles, who have struggled to make big plays in the passing game, finished with 12 pass plays of 40 yards or more as team.


12 40+ yard catches for DeSean, 12 40+ yard catches for the entire Eagles offense... he also leads the league in Yards Per Reception... it's almost as if the Eagles deep threat game vanished over night and magically appeared in Washington DC; but keep telling yourself that Maclin is the better player even though every player in the NFL would disagree with you... and then remind yourself we could have had Jackson and Maclin... but hey... how bout that Riley Cooper? Thank God we locked him up for five seasons am I right?
koolaidluke
pretty sure most players would agree that Maclin is better. Also, by even bringing it up you are playing into the Desean haters' narrative that the Eagles could only keep one or the other when in fact that was never an issue. In fact, before Jackson was released Eagles fans wouldn't shut up about how hard it would be for teams to defend both Jackson and Maclin at the same time.
Zero
Apparently there are some here who missed my point. DeSean Jackson is a punk bitch piece of shit because of a total and complete lack of class. Maybe he holds a grudge against the Eagles for releasing him and allowing him to sign the contract he wanted instead of hanging on to him, and actually speak badly of his character ... understandable rolleyes.gif , but while he was playing in green, in Philadelphia, scoring touchdowns and going to the pro bowl he was cheered and supported by the fans. His juvenile actions following his dismemberment of the Eagles secondary didn't affect those who released him but it did have a significant impact on those who cheered for him and bought his jerseys. He's a piece of shit because he doesn't care about that or those who paid hard earned money to buy tickets to cheer him and jerseys to idolize him. Fuck DeSean Jackson!!!
JeeQ
QUOTE (koolaidluke @ Dec 26 2014, 01:56 PM) *
pretty sure most players would agree that Maclin is better. Also, by even bringing it up you are playing into the Desean haters' narrative that the Eagles could only keep one or the other when in fact that was never an issue. In fact, before Jackson was released Eagles fans wouldn't shut up about how hard it would be for teams to defend both Jackson and Maclin at the same time.


I explicitly said we could have had Jackson and Maclin and reiterate it all the time. I was salivating over finally getting Jackson and Maclin in a Chip offense this year and they fucked it all up... we had an offense dreams are made of...

Instead you released Jackson to a division rival for nothing in return, completely eradicated our deep threat game, turned Foles into a league leading turnover specialist without his #1 WR and target in the backfield, ruined the wide open lanes your #1 RB in the league last season Shady was getting all last season because they had to drop the safety back and stretch the field to account for Jackson, even Cooper vanished without DeSean garnering all the attention, you played your worst football when it really mattered, and then let the player you released not only erase your playoff chances, but erase your NFC: East Division Title as well

#GoldStandard

Maclin is a damn good WR, but he's not in the DeSean ,Dez, or Odell hemisphere yet... Maclin had his best season but I can't point to a single game where Maclin was the difference maker between a win or a loss... but I can point to many a game won on the back of DeSean Jackson... last week for example

Here's something you'll never hear a person with a brain say "Our Team Has Too Much Talent, And Not Enough Culture... Better Get Rid Of Some Of That Talent" yet here we are...

The part that gets me though is Riley Cooper is a known racist who wants to beat every nigger in here, Vick spent time in prison for electrocuting dogs... yet you sheeple happily go along with releasing DeSean because he was a "thug" even though he has no criminal record or history whatsoever and Chip can't name a single instance where DeSean was a team cancer. Funny how he wasn't a thug when he was helping to carry this team to the playoffs with McNabb, or taking us to the playoffs with Vick, or taking us to the playoffs with Foles... but he's the unappreciative one? Get all the way the fuck out of here
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (JeeQ @ Dec 26 2014, 05:45 PM) *
I explicitly said we could have had Jackson and Maclin and reiterate it all the time. I was salivating over finally getting Jackson and Maclin in a Chip offense this year and they fucked it all up... we had an offense dreams are made of...

Instead you released Jackson to a division rival for nothing in return, completely eradicated our deep threat game, turned Foles into a league leading turnover specialist without his #1 WR and target in the backfield, ruined the wide open lanes your #1 RB in the league last season Shady was getting all last season because they had to drop the safety back and stretch the field to account for Jackson, even Cooper vanished without DeSean garnering all the attention, you played your worst football when it really mattered, and then let the player you released not only erase your playoff chances, but erase your NFC: East Division Title as well

#GoldStandard

Maclin is a damn good WR, but he's not in the DeSean ,Dez, or Odell hemisphere yet... Maclin had his best season but I can't point to a single game where Maclin was the difference maker between a win or a loss... but I can point to many a game won on the back of DeSean Jackson... last week for example

Here's something you'll never hear a person with a brain say "Our Team Has Too Much Talent, And Not Enough Culture... Better Get Rid Of Some Of That Talent" yet here we are...

The part that gets me though is Riley Cooper is a known racist who wants to beat every nigger in here, Vick spent time in prison for electrocuting dogs... yet you sheeple happily go along with releasing DeSean because he was a "thug" even though he has no criminal record or history whatsoever and Chip can't name a single instance on record where DeSean was a team cancer.


Phits
QUOTE (JeeQ @ Dec 26 2014, 05:45 PM) *
I explicitly said we could have had Jackson and Maclin and reiterate it all the time. I was salivating over finally getting Jackson and Maclin in a Chip offense this year and they fucked it all up... we had an offense dreams are made of...

Which one of our turnover machines would have passed the ball?

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Instead you released Jackson to a division rival

No. He was released and opted to sign with a division rival. In other words he gave a big "FCUK YOU" to Eagles fans and the franchise. A really talented and gifted WR with no personnel issues should have had the pick of the litter, and he chose Washington.

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Maclin is a damn good WR, but he's not in the DeSean ,Dez, or Odell hemisphere yet
Jacko is a one trick pony and is very good at that trick. That trick is what makes the hi-light reels. Unfortunately, when that trick doesn't work he isn't any where to be found.

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Maclin had his best season but I can't point to a single game where Maclin was the difference maker between a win or a loss

Probably because your eyes were glued to Jacko and the 'skinz.

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Here's something you'll never hear a person with a brain say "Our Team Has Too Much Talent, And Not Enough Culture... Better Get Rid Of Some Of That Talent" yet here we are...

You're right. Fans never say that. Owners, Coaches & GM's, on the other hand, often quite are conscious about team culture.


Zero
QUOTE (JeeQ @ Dec 26 2014, 05:45 PM) *
The part that gets me though is Riley Cooper is a known racist who wants to beat every nigger in here

This could be one of the most ignorant things I've read in quite a while. With your choice of language you're apparently just as much of a racist as he is, assuming you've judged him on his drunken concert stupidity caught on video.
Phits
QUOTE (Zero @ Dec 26 2014, 07:52 PM) *
This could be one of the most ignorant things I've read in quite a while. With your choice of language you're apparently just as much of a racist as he is, assuming you've judged him on his drunken concert stupidity caught on video.

cheers.gif
JeeQ
QUOTE (Zero @ Dec 26 2014, 04:52 PM) *
This could be one of the most ignorant things I've read in quite a while. With your choice of language you're apparently just as much of a racist as he is, assuming you've judged him on his drunken concert stupidity caught on video.


My apologies... after further review Riley Cooper didn't say he wanted to beat every nigger here...

He wanted to "fight every nigger here, bro"... I wouldn't want to be accused of falsely misquoting Riley Cooper

QUOTE (Phits @ Dec 26 2014, 03:50 PM) *
-snip-


I can't blame Jackson for signing with the Redskins... if it's fuck me, then it's fuck you right back... and he kicked us out of playoffs

Jackson doesn't show up in big games? How about Maclin with a whopping 21 yards against Seattle, and 68 against the Redskins? How about amounting to one big catch against the Cowboys while Dez scored touchdown, after touchdown, after touchdown? To quote Richard Sherman, a man Chip Kelly called the most talented CB in the league, "Jeremy Maclin is a non-factor, he's not a threat, and you miss DeSean Jackson"

But you're still missing the point... it's not Jackson Vs Maclin... it's Jackson & Maclin Vs Maclin & Cooper... unless your deaf, dumb, and blind you know damn well Jackson & Maclin is the better combination and it doesn't even require thought

If you can explain to me the positives in releasing a Pro-Bowl caliber 1000+ yard a season WR in their prime while simultaneously being worse in every offensive statistical category and missing the playoffs I'll never bring it up again
Eyrie
QUOTE (Phits @ Dec 26 2014, 11:50 PM) *
No. He was released and opted to sign with a division rival. In other words he gave a big "FCUK YOU" to Eagles fans and the franchise. A really talented and gifted WR with no personnel issues should have had the pick of the litter, and he chose Washington.

He didn't choose the Racially Insensitives - it was either them or get a real job instead of playing football.

QUOTE (JeeQ @ Dec 27 2014, 03:05 AM) *
I can't blame Jackson for signing with the Redskins... if it's fuck me, then it's fuck you right back

Nor do I, when the alternative was a real job instead of playing football.

Can anyone remember the other teams that bid for Jackson? Because I'm pretty sure there was a gap of a few days before Snyder offered him big money despite being the only suitor.
BirdsWinBaby
QUOTE (JeeQ @ Dec 26 2014, 06:45 PM) *
Maclin is a damn good WR, but he's not in the DeSean ,Dez, or Odell hemisphere yet...


after several years of seeing Djax every week up close and even watching his act play out the same way in DC im surprised that anyone would make this statement

as was stated, Djax is every bit the deep threat of those you mentioned...and thats all he is. its all he has ever been

Maclin is not as good a deep threat and Djax isnt as good at everything else...the 'everything else' part is why i think most would prefer JMac
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (Eyrie @ Dec 27 2014, 06:18 AM) *
Can anyone remember the other teams that bid for Jackson? Because I'm pretty sure there was a gap of a few days before Snyder offered him big money despite being the only suitor.


Yes, there was a gap of 3 whole days before he was offered more guaranteed money by Washington than he was getting here, and he immediately signed. It was the first team he met with, and he likely jumped at the good contract and the chance to be in the same division.

Supposedly the 49ers and the Raiders reached out to the LAPD about the gang story. The Browns and Bills supposedly had interest as well, and the Jets actually expressed interest while he was still an Eagle, but backed away when the gang story hit.

For someone who claims to be so appalled by the Redskins name, you don't seem too upset that a Pro-Bowler with no criminal record, who was never arrested or charged with anything, was released less than an hour after a story about alleged gang ties comes out. They clearly knew most people would blindly accept it as an excuse for his release because of what he looks like and where he comes from.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (BirdsWinBaby @ Dec 27 2014, 11:12 AM) *
the 'everything else' part is why i think most would prefer JMac


Yes, clearly opposing DB's prefer JMac.
mcnabbulous
The Patriots found a way to go 39-9 with a mass murderer on their roster. We probably could have figured out a way to make things work with our loud mouth WR. But, ya know...culture.
Phits
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Dec 27 2014, 02:10 PM) *
The Patriots found a way to go 39-9 with a mass murderer on their roster.

Yes, but according to you that doesn't matter since they haven't won a SB in a decade.

That said, personally I would rather not have a mass murderer on the roster, even if it wins a championship.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (Phits @ Dec 27 2014, 02:31 PM) *
Yes, but according to you that doesn't matter since they haven't won a SB in a decade.

No, you're confusing things. I only point out the Patriots SB drought to help highlight just how difficult it is to accomplish. For all the numbnuts who are outraged that we didn't win multiple. Especially considering the Patriots are afforded a HoF QB.

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That said, personally I would rather not have a mass murderer on the roster, even if it wins a championship.

Agreed. Loud mouth wide receivers are a different story.
Phits
QUOTE (JeeQ @ Dec 26 2014, 10:05 PM) *
I can't blame Jackson for signing with the Redskins... if it's fuck me, then it's fuck you right back... and he kicked us out of playoffs

Well you can continue to cheer for him.

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Jackson doesn't show up in big games? How about Maclin with a whopping 21 yards against Seattle, and 68 against the Redskins? How about amounting to one big catch against the Cowboys while Dez scored touchdown, after touchdown, after touchdown? To quote Richard Sherman, a man Chip Kelly called the most talented CB in the league, "Jeremy Maclin is a non-factor, he's not a threat, and you miss DeSean Jackson"

You're quoting Sherman? let's recap: 1269 receiving yards in a season is a "non-factor"? Yet 1332 receiving yards is worthy of hero worship. I'll quote Obi-Wan "Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?"

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But you're still missing the point... it's not Jackson Vs Maclin... it's Jackson & Maclin Vs Maclin & Cooper... unless your deaf, dumb, and blind you know damn well Jackson & Maclin is the better combination and it doesn't even require thought

No you are missing the point,it's not Maclin & Jacko vs Maclin & Cooper. It's Chip's way or the highway. Clearly the HC saw issues with Jacko that made him expendable. I am willing to trust the judgment of an experienced HC who had to deal with him day in and day out.

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If you can explain to me the positives in releasing a Pro-Bowl caliber 1000+ yard a season WR in their prime

see above

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while simultaneously being worse in every offensive statistical category

This is untrue. More importantly, if Jacko's absence is the only difference you can find to differentiate the success of 2013 vs 2014 the conversation is really lost.

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and missing the playoffs

Jacko's absence on the roster has nothing to do with us missing the post season. Turnovers, penalties, poor QB play, poor CB play and injuries. Last season 4/5 issues listed were non-factors.



Phits
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Dec 27 2014, 03:43 PM) *
Loud mouth wide receivers are a different story.

For you maybe. We have first hand knowledge with how quickly a prima donna loud mouth WR can destroy a team. I have no desire to watch our #1 WR doing sit-ups in his driveway or flashing gang signs to "rep his hood".

Admittedly, my attitude might be swayed if we were a player or two away from being legitimate contenders. I don't see that as the case, so I am willing to be patient and see how our HC builds this team using his vision.


HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (Phits @ Dec 27 2014, 04:11 PM) *
flashing gang signs to "rep his hood".


This makes your 'Redskins epiphany' even more disingenuous.
Zero
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Dec 27 2014, 11:23 AM) *
They clearly knew most people would blindly accept it as an excuse for his release because of what he looks like and where he comes from.

It blows my mind every time I hear someone judge someone else based on limited, second hand information and conjecture.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (Zero @ Dec 27 2014, 07:23 PM) *
It blows my mind every time I hear someone judge someone else based on limited, second hand information and conjecture.


Same here. Like when he was released after 3 pro-bowl seasons with this team minutes after a story about his alleged gang ties comes out.
Zero
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Dec 27 2014, 08:06 PM) *
Same here. Like when he was released after 3 pro-bowl seasons with this team minutes after a story about his alleged gang ties comes out.

Why did they release him?
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (Zero @ Dec 27 2014, 08:21 PM) *
Why did they release him?


Ya know - culture.
BirdsWinBaby
QUOTE (Zero @ Dec 27 2014, 09:21 PM) *
Why did they release him?


IMO...miscalculation of talent that would remain after he was gone...mostly Riley Cooper

yes Djax was a deep threat...but he was a one trick pony who didnt fit into the 'big guys beat up lil' guys' mantra that chip believes in. Chip wants big guys like Dez Bryant who can do several things on the field (in addition to the deep threat) that Djax is simply unwilling to do. they can try to sell it as a culture thing. and maybe that was part of it but i think speedy lil' guys who only do one thing well was not the direction Chip wanted/wants for this team. frankly i agree with that

the miscalculation part? Djax goes, leaving Maclin to be a threat in several areas (not just deep) which would allow Cooper to be just as productive. maybe even more productive given that there are big guys everywhere between WRs and TEs. add in Matthews (and a speedy lil guy in sproles) and its unstoppable...except...Cooper sucks ass and Matthews is a slot guy

Cooper NEEDS that deep threat...more than Maclin can provide. i was ok with getting rid of Djax. not ok with standing pat with what was here adding only matthews

while im at it....i think maclin is a good WR....not sure he is good enough to be a #1 with a lesser guy playing second fiddle. maclin's gonna demand top WR money...not convinced he is worth a FA blank check from the Eagles. especially if Cooper's contract keeps him on the team

if Cooper stays (and Matthews doesnt supplant him) we need more than just good at the #1...we need closer to elite...that aint Maclin
Zero
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Dec 27 2014, 10:17 PM) *
Ya know - culture.

You sure about that?
Zero
QUOTE (BirdsWinBaby @ Dec 28 2014, 01:09 AM) *
IMO...miscalculation of talent that would remain after he was gone...mostly Riley Cooper

yes Djax was a deep threat...but he was a one trick pony who didnt fit into the 'big guys beat up lil' guys' mantra that chip believes in. Chip wants big guys like Dez Bryant who can do several things on the field (in addition to the deep threat) that Djax is simply unwilling to do. they can try to sell it as a culture thing. and maybe that was part of it but i think speedy lil' guys who only do one thing well was not the direction Chip wanted/wants for this team. frankly i agree with that

the miscalculation part? Djax goes, leaving Maclin to be a threat in several areas (not just deep) which would allow Cooper to be just as productive. maybe even more productive given that there are big guys everywhere between WRs and TEs. add in Matthews (and a speedy lil guy in sproles) and its unstoppable...except...Cooper sucks ass and Matthews is a slot guy

Cooper NEEDS that deep threat...more than Maclin can provide. i was ok with getting rid of Djax. not ok with standing pat with what was here adding only matthews

while im at it....i think maclin is a good WR....not sure he is good enough to be a #1 with a lesser guy playing second fiddle. maclin's gonna demand top WR money...not convinced he is worth a FA blank check from the Eagles. especially if Cooper's contract keeps him on the team

if Cooper stays (and Matthews doesnt supplant him) we need more than just good at the #1...we need closer to elite...that aint Maclin

Cooper didn't play as well this year as he did in 2013. Players have bad years, frequently after they've just signed a lucrative contract.
Eyrie
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Dec 27 2014, 04:23 PM) *
Yes, there was a gap of 3 whole days before he was offered more guaranteed money by Washington than he was getting here, and he immediately signed. It was the first team he met with, and he likely jumped at the good contract and the chance to be in the same division.

Supposedly the 49ers and the Raiders reached out to the LAPD about the gang story. The Browns and Bills supposedly had interest as well, and the Jets actually expressed interest while he was still an Eagle, but backed away when the gang story hit.

For someone who claims to be so appalled by the Redskins name, you don't seem too upset that a Pro-Bowler with no criminal record, who was never arrested or charged with anything, was released less than an hour after a story about alleged gang ties comes out. They clearly knew most people would blindly accept it as an excuse for his release because of what he looks like and where he comes from.

Other teams "supposedly" had interest in him, yet only one team is known to have had any interest and that is the one team that signed him. I wouldn't read too much into how much they paid given Snyder's history.

My own view of why Jackson was released is that I believe he was not willing to buy into Kelly's culture to the extent that he was seen as more than a distraction and in fact as setting a bad example to younger players. The end result was that Kelly decided it was better to release him to make clear that he requires full buy in by the roster. And I suspect that he wouldn't have made that decision had Jackson been the remaining piece that leads us to SuperBowl glory.

nephillymike
QUOTE (Eyrie @ Dec 28 2014, 06:08 AM) *
Other teams "supposedly" had interest in him, yet only one team is known to have had any interest and that is the one team that signed him. I wouldn't read too much into how much they paid given Snyder's history.

My own view of why Jackson was released is that I believe he was not willing to buy into Kelly's culture to the extent that he was seen as more than a distraction and in fact as setting a bad example to younger players. The end result was that Kelly decided it was better to release him to make clear that he requires full buy in by the roster. And I suspect that he wouldn't have made that decision had Jackson been the remaining piece that leads us to SuperBowl glory.

According to Adam Caplan, Kelly was more lenient with Jackson's post season antics to get a new contract or get released such that he says Kelly had no choice and was more patient than any other coach would have been. He didn't elaborate. But it was a long process and the front office had plenty of time to plan for it in the off season. They planned for it and implemented it exactly the way they wanted to.
Zero
My main point is that Jackson is an asshole. My secondary point is that no one that I'm aware of knows why the Eagles released him or the reason for the timing. We may make logical assumptions, but that's the point: assumption. There has been no revealing report that I've read, no whistleblower and no hard facts that answer the questions. Jackson's behavior has demonstrated his assholeness quite well. Fuck Jackson! Go Eagles!
BirdsWinBaby
QUOTE (Zero @ Dec 28 2014, 06:07 AM) *
Cooper didn't play as well this year as he did in 2013. Players have bad years, frequently after they've just signed a lucrative contract.


players have bad years but its due to injury or a bad offense in most cases

cooper played every game at the #2 spot in a top5/top10 offense. his numbers are worse than what we used to get from a non-starter in Avant

this was not a down year for a legit #2...its an average year for a possession guy. he shouldnt be outside
Phits
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Dec 27 2014, 06:44 PM) *
This makes your 'Redskins epiphany' even more disingenuous.

What epiphany is that? I can't help it if you don't understand why the term red skin would be offensive. That's not an epiphany, that's common sense.
JeeQ
If you look at the NFL right now there's teams with murderers, rapists, animal abusers, child abusers, woman beaters, drug dealers, drug addicts, alcoholics, degenerate gamblers, players getting arrested for getting drunk and fighting in the club, and players getting suspended nearly every season for off the field antics... and every single one of these players is still on their team

Yet there's people on board with releasing a pro-bowl WR in their prime with no compensation because he had a "loud mouth" laugh.gif

So you'd be fine with cutting Richard Sherman because of his "loud mouth" too because Bradley Fletcher has more culture, right?

mcnabbulous
QUOTE (JeeQ @ Dec 28 2014, 01:43 PM) *
If you look at the NFL right now there's teams with murderers, rapists, animal abusers, child abusers, woman beaters, drug dealers, drug addicts, alcoholics, degenerate gamblers, players getting arrested for getting drunk and fighting in the club, and players getting suspended nearly every season for off the field antics... and every single one of these players is still on their team

Yet there's people on board with releasing a pro-bowl WR in their prime with no compensation because he had a "loud mouth" laugh.gif

So you'd be fine with cutting Richard Sherman because of his "loud mouth" too because Bradley Fletcher has more culture, right?


Total piece of shit!

HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Dec 28 2014, 02:47 PM) *
Total piece of shit!



Oh no, he was wearing a red shirt underneath is jersey - he must've been a Blood AND a Crip! Thank God we released him!

"Culture"
Eyrie
QUOTE (JeeQ @ Dec 28 2014, 07:43 PM) *
If you look at the NFL right now there's teams with murderers, rapists, animal abusers, child abusers, woman beaters, drug dealers, drug addicts, alcoholics, degenerate gamblers, players getting arrested for getting drunk and fighting in the club, and players getting suspended nearly every season for off the field antics... and every single one of these players is still on their team

Yet there's people on board with releasing a pro-bowl WR in their prime with no compensation because he had a "loud mouth" laugh.gif

So you'd be fine with cutting Richard Sherman because of his "loud mouth" too because Bradley Fletcher has more culture, right?


That would depend on how Sherman buys into the culture of the team in terms of his approach to practice, study and play. If he wants to go through the motions then I suspect that Kelly would be willing to move him in the same way that Fletcher will be allowed to leave for not being good enough despite being willing enough.

Of course, if we did have Sherman and decided that he was a poor fit then we'd be able to trade him and get something in return. With Jackson there were 31 teams that decided to take a chance in FA rather than offer us a mid round pick to get first refusal, and 20 of those teams then didn't make him an offer.

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