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nephillymike
Combining the Rankings of WR's from Mayock and Draftek, there here are the top dozen in order and how they did:

Name..........Ht......Wt...Hands....40Yds.....3Cone.....20yd....Vertical...225Rep...Broad
Watkins......6-1....211.....9.6........4.43......6.85.......4.34......34.0..........16..........126
Lee............6-0....192.....9.5........4.52......xxxx.......4.01......38.0.........xxxx........127
Evans.........6-5....231.....9.6........4.53......7.08.......4.26......37.0..........12..........xxxx
Benjamin....6-5....240....10.25......4.61.......7.33.......4.39......32.5..........13..........119
Beckham....5-11...198....10.0.......4.43......6.69.......3.94......38.5............7..........122
Robinson....6-2.....220.....9.5.......4.60.......7.00.......4.00......39.0..........xxxx.......127
Adams........6-1....212.....9.0.......4.56.......6.82.......4.30......39.5...........14.........123
Cooks........5-10...189.....9.6........4.33........6.76.......3.81.....36.0...........16..........120
Matthews....6-3.....212....10.4......4.46.......6.95.......4.18.....35.5...........21..........120
Landry.......5-11....205....10.25.....4.77......xxxx.......xxxx.....28.5...........12..........110
Richardson..6-0.....175.....8.8.......4.40......7.09.......xxxx.....38.0..........xxxx........124
Moncrief......6-2.....221....9.1........4.40......7.02........4.30.....39.5..........13..........132

Purely on this geek stuff, I would move Beckham and Cooks up the board, Robinson and Benjamin down and Landry off of it.

We should have two of Matthews, Richardson and Moncrief there in round 2 if we feel so inclined.
All but Watkins, Lee and Evans should be there at #22.

Anyone?
make_it_rain
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 24 2014, 08:46 PM) *
Combining the Rankings of WR's from Mayock and Draftek, there here are the top dozen in order and how they did:

Name..........Ht......Wt...Hands....40Yds.....3Cone.....20yd....Vertical...225Rep...Broad
Watkins......6-1....211.....9.6........4.43......6.85.......4.34......34.0..........16..........126
Lee............6-0....192.....9.5........4.52......xxxx.......4.01......38.0.........xxxx........127
Evans.........6-5....231.....9.6........4.53......7.08.......4.26......37.0..........12..........xxxx
Benjamin....6-5....240....10.25......4.61.......7.33.......4.39......32.5..........13..........119
Beckham....5-11...198....10.0.......4.43......6.69.......3.94......38.5............7..........122
Robinson....6-2.....220.....9.5.......4.60.......7.00.......4.00......39.0..........xxxx.......127
Adams........6-1....212.....9.0.......4.56.......6.82.......4.30......39.5...........14.........123
Cooks........5-10...189.....9.6........4.33........6.76.......3.81.....36.0...........16..........120
Matthews....6-3.....212....10.4......4.46.......6.95.......4.18.....35.5...........21..........120
Landry.......5-11....205....10.25.....4.77......xxxx.......xxxx.....28.5...........12..........110
Richardson..6-0.....175.....8.8.......4.40......7.09.......xxxx.....38.0..........xxxx........124
Moncrief......6-2.....221....9.1........4.40......7.02........4.30.....39.5..........13..........132

Purely on this geek stuff, I would move Beckham and Cooks up the board, Robinson and Benjamin down and Landry off of it.

We should have two of Matthews, Richardson and Moncrief there in round 2 if we feel so inclined.
All but Watkins, Lee and Evans should be there at #22.

Anyone?


I like Matthews, and would love to have him there in round 2, but I'm not so sure he'll be there. If he is, I think its a no brainer, especially if either Mac or Cooper don't get re-signed. You could make the argument for going WR in round 1 too if only one of Mac or Cooper return too.

It's pretty thin at WR when you look at it:

  • Jackson
  • Say one of Maclin/Cooper
    ...................
  • Avant is likely gone.
  • What's Arrelious Benn's deal?
  • Jeff Maehl
  • Damaris Johnson.


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Also, pretty funny to note that Clowney very nearly had a better 40 time than Marquise Lee, and smoked Allen Robinson.
Rick
At 5-10 and 5-11, we don't need more small WRs, we need big, strong WRs.
Zero
Although I agree with the sentiment, we need receivers who can get open, catch the ball regularly, run after the catch, score and block. When it comes down to it, I don't care how big they are if they can do what they need to do.
make_it_rain
QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 25 2014, 06:33 AM) *
At 5-10 and 5-11, we don't need more small WRs, we need big, strong WRs.



Agree mostly, but I think even at 5'11 Beckham would be a good pickup. He's very quick and projects well as a slot guy in the NFL, something this team is noticeably lacking.
Eyrie
QUOTE (make_it_rain @ Feb 25 2014, 03:32 PM) *
Agree mostly, but I think even at 5'11 Beckham would be a good pickup. He's very quick and projects well as a slot guy in the NFL, something this team is noticeably lacking.

We have Avant but his best days are behind him and, much as I like the guy, I'd be surprised if he's with us in 2014.
TGryn
Oregon RB DeAnthony Thomas officially ran a 4.5 40, though his "unofficial" time was 4.34. Not sure what to make of such a big difference in times. His other drills weren't exceptional, either. Bringing it up since Thomas is a possible target as a slot WR conversion, and since Kelly is familiar with him from college. He'll be expected to post a better performance at Oregon's pro day (March 13th) or he'll lose any shot at being drafted in the first couple of rounds.
iggleslover49
Don't forget Brad Smith.
Rick
QUOTE (Zero @ Feb 25 2014, 09:57 AM) *
Although I agree with the sentiment, we need receivers who can get open, catch the ball regularly, run after the catch, score and block. When it comes down to it, I don't care how big they are if they can do what they need to do.

None of those stats tell you whether they can get open or block. I've seen enough big WRs do well in the league and enough smaller receivers get beaten up over the years (with some exceptions). Bigger WRs seem to be a much better solution (long term).

Many people hate him but I was a huge fan of TO. He was one of the first big, strong WRs. Now you've got guys like Megatron who are just plain dominating.

I'd much rather have a bigger WR who may be slightly slower--assuming he is a guy who gets after it of course.
nephillymike
QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 26 2014, 04:29 PM) *
None of those stats tell you whether they can get open or block. I've seen enough big WRs do well in the league and enough smaller receivers get beaten up over the years (with some exceptions). Bigger WRs seem to be a much better solution (long term).

Many people hate him but I was a huge fan of TO. He was one of the first big, strong WRs. Now you've got guys like Megatron who are just plain dominating.

I'd much rather have a bigger WR who may be slightly slower--assuming he is a guy who gets after it of course.


I often wonder how much weight the teams put on the combine versus game tape.

I mean if I have two CB's who have played really well on tape, and one guy is faster, longer arms and can jump three inches higher, I think I would have to move the better combine guy ahead.

For example, Dennard was ahead of Gilbert on almost all boards pre combine. Now he is rightfully going to move ahead of him based on the results.

Take Michael Sam. He was ranked around 85th overall pre-combine. Now he runs a 4.91. lifts, what 20 reps, and looks bad in the drills, I would think he would drop considerably regardless of his game film.
TGryn
But at the same time, in terms of height-weight-40 numbers Momah is clearly superior to any WR on our roster, including DJax, but he'll be lucky to make the final roster. The flipside would be a guy like Avant, who based on his measurables has no place on an NFL roster (only average size & too slow as WRs go) but gets it done through work ethic and great hands. Its the same problem with converting superstars in other fields like track into the NFL: its a different thing once the pads go on and hitting starts. I think you can only get a decent measure of that by going to game film.
Rick
QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 26 2014, 05:28 PM) *
I often wonder how much weight the teams put on the combine versus game tape.

And that's sort of my point. I'm hearing more and more how players train for a good showing at the combine. Most of the things they ask them to do don't translate to what you do on the field. Yes, great training tools and a great way to see how fast someone is. But it tells you little to nothing about how a player will perform on the field.

Personally, I don't pay much attention to the combine--never have--because of this.
Zero
QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 27 2014, 07:33 AM) *
And that's sort of my point. I'm hearing more and more how players train for a good showing at the combine. Most of the things they ask them to do don't translate to what you do on the field. Yes, great training tools and a great way to see how fast someone is. But it tells you little to nothing about how a player will perform on the field.

Personally, I don't pay much attention to the combine--never have--because of this.

Yup, and I heard a sound bite by Howie indicating that he weighs about 95% on game tape. Good news.
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