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ClydeSide
"Big quarterback throwing to big receivers equals success in the Red Zone."

And our receivers are fragile speedsters? Always on IR? And we can't score in the Red Zone?

How long have we had a problem scoring in the Red Zone? And Andy has the answer????

I liked watching Riley Cooper and Jason Avant catch the ball---and GET UP OFF THE STINKIN TURF. We need some receivers who punish the secondary, not the other way around.
Eyrie
It's something that Reid's replacement will need to address.

Do we look to replace Macklin with a big WR, or do we keep him and bring in Cooper (and McNutt/late pick) in goal-line situations?
mcnabbulous
We have drafted plenty of bigger guys over the years. They have all just sucked though.
ClydeSide
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Dec 11 2012, 03:19 PM) *
We have drafted plenty of bigger guys over the years. They have all just sucked though.


True. But we didn't even trade for one either.
HobbEs
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"Big quarterback throwing to big receivers equals success in the Red Zone."


It only took him 15 years to figure it out...
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (HobbEs @ Dec 12 2012, 09:46 AM) *
It only took him 15 years to figure it out...


Slight correction - it only took him 15 years to realize that a rookie in one of his first few starts would make better playcalls in the red zone to seal the comeback win laugh.gif
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (ClydeSide @ Dec 11 2012, 08:22 PM) *
True. But we didn't even trade for one either.

Most teams don't have much interest in trading away their big, successful red zone threats. You don't see those guys get traded often.
ClydeSide
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Dec 12 2012, 10:45 AM) *
Most teams don't have much interest in trading away their big, successful red zone threats. You don't see those guys get traded often.


Chad Lewis was great in the Red Zone. Isn't there another tall Mormon out West somewhere?
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (ClydeSide @ Dec 12 2012, 11:57 AM) *
Chad Lewis was great in the Red Zone. Isn't there another tall Mormon out West somewhere?

Chad Lewis was great in the red zone because it coincided with McNabb being a great QB. When he was a threat with his arm and legs. Once he lost the ability to scare defenses with his legs, defenses dictated things.
Bocadelphia Eagles John
QUOTE (ClydeSide @ Dec 11 2012, 10:46 AM) *
How long have we had a problem scoring in the Red Zone? And Andy has the answer????


Yer durn tootin' there clydeman

If he has the friggen answer to a long standing problem how come's the heck he hasn't fixed it ? I mean ...

wtf alert in effect .... police.gif
BirdsWinBaby
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Dec 12 2012, 11:45 AM) *
Most teams don't have much interest in trading away their big, successful red zone threats. You don't see those guys get traded often.


True but a trade isn't always needed...

Out of the top 15 WRs in the league right now only 5 of them are playing on their rookie deals and a couple more signed extensions before their rookie deal expired. Over the years AR has had plenty of chances to get a big WR if he wanted it

Only 1 of the top 10 is under 6'....AR drafted mac&jack and said "we're fine there."
ClydeSide
QUOTE (BirdsWinBaby @ Dec 12 2012, 01:13 PM) *
True but a trade isn't always needed...

Out of the top 15 WRs in the league right now only 5 of them are playing on their rookie deals and a couple more signed extensions before their rookie deal expired. Over the years AR has had plenty of chances to get a big WR if he wanted it

Only 1 of the top 10 is under 6'....AR drafted mac&jack and said "we're fine there."



and they can't stay on the field.
Eyrie
QUOTE (ClydeSide @ Dec 12 2012, 12:22 AM) *
True. But we didn't even trade for one either.

We got one once. Owens should have been a free agent but the league worked a deal after the 49ers attempted to trade him to the Ravens. 2004 was a good year, and then his ego kicked in .....
ClydeSide
QUOTE (Eyrie @ Dec 12 2012, 02:42 PM) *
We got one once. Owens should have been a free agent but the league worked a deal after the 49ers attempted to trade him to the Ravens. 2004 was a good year, and then his ego kicked in .....

TO was a force. Damn shame he broke his leg--that hurt us big time.
ClydeSide
QUOTE (Eyrie @ Dec 11 2012, 03:12 PM) *
It's something that Reid's replacement will need to address.

Do we look to replace Macklin with a big WR, or do we keep him and bring in Cooper (and McNutt/late pick) in goal-line situations?


Jackson and Maclin can't stay on the field. Neither one can run inside. Unfortunately we have so much money invested in them it makes it tough to change. We need a big receiver on every down and that would take some pressure off the other two. Teams have been giving our receivers the underneath stuff and then coming up and giving them concussions. We need a beast to drive through and OVER the bastids.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (BirdsWinBaby @ Dec 12 2012, 02:13 PM) *
True but a trade isn't always needed...

Out of the top 15 WRs in the league right now only 5 of them are playing on their rookie deals and a couple more signed extensions before their rookie deal expired. Over the years AR has had plenty of chances to get a big WR if he wanted it

Only 1 of the top 10 is under 6'....AR drafted mac&jack and said "we're fine there."


How many of the top wideouts aren't with the team that drafted them?
Like I said, we have drafted guys. They just haven't been very good. Most of the stud WR in the game were high picks.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Dec 12 2012, 03:54 PM) *
How many of the top wideouts aren't with the team that drafted them?
Like I said, we have drafted guys. They just haven't been very good. Most of the stud WR in the game were high picks.


I don't disagree with you, but there definitely are top WR trades/acquisitions that happen. Off the top of my head Marshall and Jackson are a couple in today's game, and while I wouldn't consider Lloyd a top 10 receiver, he's definitely proven himself and has been acquired to an offense that has many targets, which diminishes his value. It's tough competing with Welker, Gronkowski, Hernandez, and the running back committee.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Dec 12 2012, 09:20 PM) *
I don't disagree with you, but there definitely are top WR trades/acquisitions that happen. Off the top of my head Marshall and Jackson are a couple in today's game, and while I wouldn't consider Lloyd a top 10 receiver, he's definitely proven himself and has been acquired to an offense that has many targets, which diminishes his value. It's tough competing with Welker, Gronkowski, Hernandez, and the running back committee.


Even if they happen, which is clearly rare, we are also competing against 31 other teams for these players. Marshall having been traded twice indicates what most people think about him. He's a force, but also a headcase. Jackson isn't in the same class as him, nor the other top guys.

Zero
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Dec 12 2012, 03:54 PM) *
How many of the top wideouts aren't with the team that drafted them?
Like I said, we have drafted guys. They just haven't been very good. Most of the stud WR in the game were high picks.

I think our wideouts are good but complimentary. We need the guy they compliment.
BirdsWinBaby
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Dec 12 2012, 11:19 PM) *
Even if they happen, which is clearly rare, we are also competing against 31 other teams for these players. Marshall having been traded twice indicates what most people think about him. He's a force, but also a headcase. Jackson isn't in the same class as him, nor the other top guys.


which WR is better than another isnt the point really....AR has had chances to acquire better WRs but became way too enamored with Djax

competing with 31 other teams is rarely the case. unless a super stud hits the FA market the pool is at most 5-6 teams and often less than that. many teams have already have WRs they are happy with and arent bidding. the problem is AR is happy with mac&jack and if we show interest at all its a token attempt. Jackson(6'5"/8TDs) wound up on a dog like TB because nobody else wrote a bigger check...we should have. instead we gave it to Djax(2TDs)

Sidney rice(6'4"/7TDs) couldnt help this offense? or Marshall(6'4"/9TDs)? Vincent jackson? or lets go back a couple years ago when Gonzo(6'5"/7TDs) was looking for a new team. thats just recently. look back over 14years and there will be more

we are better at WR than we have been for most of of AR's tenure....but as zero said we have complimentary guys.
ClydeSide
QUOTE (BirdsWinBaby @ Dec 13 2012, 08:30 AM) *
which WR is better than another isnt the point really....AR has had chances to acquire better WRs but became way too enamored Djax

competing with 31 other teams is rarely the case. unless a super stud hits the FA market the pool is at most 5-6 teams and often less than that. many teams have already have WRs they are happy with and arent bidding. the problem is AR is happy with mac&jack and if we show interest at all its a token attempt. Jackson(6'5"/8TDs) wound up on a dog like TB because nobody else wrote a bigger check...we should have. instead we gave it to Djax(2TDs)

Sidney rice(6'4"/7TDs) couldnt help this offense? or Marshall(6'4"/9TDs)? Vincent jackson? or lets go back a couple years ago when Gonzo(6'5"/7TDs) was looking for a new team. thats just recently. look back over 14years and there will be more

we are better at WR than we have been for most of of AR's tenure....but as zero said we have complimentary guys.


Every team we play seems to have one, doesn't it? We need a guy to seal the deal. And the bigger the game, the better the defense, the more each Red Zone catch means.
mcnabbulous
Once we start getting adequate QB play, you'll find that our receiving threats start becoming much better in the red zone.
Reality Fan
[quote name='ClydeSide' date='Dec 12 2012, 03:41 PM' post='242104']
Jackson and Maclin can't stay on the field. Neither one can run inside. Unfortunately we have so much money invested in them it makes it tough to change. We need a big receiver on every down and that would take some pressure off the other two. Teams have been giving our receivers the underneath stuff and then coming up and giving them concussions. We need a beast to drive through and OVER the bastids.
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we have money invested in one, not both...Maclin is coming to the end of his rookie deal and is not a big ticket guy
Dr. Claw
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Dec 12 2012, 09:58 AM) *
Slight correction - it only took him 15 years to realize that a rookie in one of his first few starts would make better playcalls in the red zone to seal the comeback win laugh.gif


LMAO!! devil03.gif
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