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Mr. Bonko
If only CLE and BAL closed the deal...So close....No way we beat NYG after a mini-bye nor Pitt after a full bye, so now we will be 2-3 going into Det. So Reid will prolly last the year before he finally finally finally gets shit canned. If only we could have started 0-5, which was so close, we could be done with that fat piece of dung mid-season.

EDIT: Gone not Fone
D Rock
Wow. What a remarkably stupid post.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (D Rock @ Sep 26 2012, 09:19 PM) *
Wow. What a remarkably stupid post.


There are no stupid posts. Just stupid people who make posts.
make_it_rain
Reality Fan
what can I say that hasn't been said so well.......makes you really wonder about some people....
Pbfan
This thread is so gay it's not even funny.
xsv
And you guys thought I was pessimistic.
Mr. Bonko
QUOTE (xsv @ Sep 27 2012, 07:28 AM) *
And you guys thought I was pessimistic.


Deep down, you guys know I am right.

As for the personal attacks, looks like a few of you belong on ToB.
Pbfan
QUOTE (Mr. Bonko @ Sep 27 2012, 08:29 AM) *
Deep down, you guys know I am right.

As for the personal attacks, looks like a few of you belong on ToB.

Deep down is something you tell your boyfriend cause only a homo would pos such a gay thread.
Dr. Claw
QUOTE (xsv @ Sep 27 2012, 07:28 AM) *
And you guys thought I was pessimistic.


I was about to say, this makes X look like a blinding ray of sunshine.
make_it_rain

As gay and pointless as this thread is, if you think there's a snowballs chance in hell that Reid would get fired midseason (even if he is 0-5), that just shows how ignorant you are. No way in hell Lurie would ever fire Reid midseason.

Reid is gone if they don't make the playoffs (and maybe after a 1st round exit), simple as that. For him, 0-16 is basically equivalent to 8-8.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (make_it_rain @ Sep 27 2012, 09:41 AM) *
No way in hell Lurie would ever fire Reid midseason.


Yup. Certainly not in the last year of his contract either. And even if he's gone, he owuldn't be 'fired' - he would be 'retiring' or 'spending time with family' or whatever, there wouldn't be any official 'firing' - and as much as I've wanted him gone for years, it should be that way, a good exit.

By the way, another home run on your Yoda pic laugh.gif
Mr. Bonko
QUOTE (Pbfan @ Sep 27 2012, 09:02 AM) *
Deep down is something you tell your boyfriend cause only a homo would pos such a gay thread.


Someone sure has homosexuality on the forefront of their minds. So you are clearly either 1) Overcompensating for your own homosexual feelings or 2) a vile homophobe.

Reality Fan
QUOTE (Mr. Bonko @ Sep 27 2012, 08:29 AM) *
Deep down, you guys know I am right.

As for the personal attacks, looks like a few of you belong on ToB.


don't take this personally because it is merely a clinical observation.......you are disturbed....

you call Reid a fat piece of shit which tells me you are fat and hate yourself for it and express your self loathing onto Reid, better known as projection....

While I understand your desire for a new coach, to hate the one coach who has won so much here is odd.....wanting another coach is fine but to spew the venom at this one is bizarre......

and deep down...I know you have issues and no, I don't think you are right on any level
Mr. Bonko
QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 27 2012, 10:42 AM) *
don't take this personally....


Of course not Mr. Mensa, why would one take any of those comments personally?!?! Oh you are right though, I do have issues. But no, weight is not one of them.

Despite my issues, I can easily see that we have no shot at ever winning a SB with AR or MV in their current roles. Anyone who belives otherwise is fooling themslves.

You guys are right though, Lurie has too muc hclass to fire AR mid-season. I guess that was a manifestation of wishful thinking on my part.

I don't hate AR as a person -- just as a coach. B/c he is currently a pathetic one and beyond repair -- same as MV as a QB.

Bring on Foles and Chuckie. At least then we can go into a season without knowing in advance that is it is 100% impossible for the Eagles to finally win a SB -- even if we go 0-16 -- at least we had a chance. As things stand now, and have for many years, we all know we have 0 chance before the season even starts. Sure we have a chance to make the playoffs -- albeit a slim chance this year. But we have no chance of winnig it all.

Dr. Claw
QUOTE (Mr. Bonko @ Sep 27 2012, 10:55 AM) *
Bring on Foles and Chuckie.


you'll get it.
next season, if the Eagles screw this one up.
just be patient.
koolaidluke
No matter how much you may hate Reid, it is never a good idea to fire a coach mid season.

I didn't even want Rhodes fired in his last season, when he had clearly just given up.


If you want to get rid of a coach, let him see the season out. Plenty of time to fire him in the offseason.
Reality Fan
QUOTE (Mr. Bonko @ Sep 27 2012, 10:55 AM) *
Of course not Mr. Mensa, why would one take any of those comments personally?!?! Oh you are right though, I do have issues. But no, weight is not one of them.

Despite my issues, I can easily see that we have no shot at ever winning a SB with AR or MV in their current roles. Anyone who belives otherwise is fooling themslves.

You guys are right though, Lurie has too muc hclass to fire AR mid-season. I guess that was a manifestation of wishful thinking on my part.

I don't hate AR as a person -- just as a coach. B/c he is currently a pathetic one and beyond repair -- same as MV as a QB.

Bring on Foles and Chuckie. At least then we can go into a season without knowing in advance that is it is 100% impossible for the Eagles to finally win a SB -- even if we go 0-16 -- at least we had a chance. As things stand now, and have for many years, we all know we have 0 chance before the season even starts. Sure we have a chance to make the playoffs -- albeit a slim chance this year. But we have no chance of winnig it all.


I guess I just hate absolutes like that that are patently ridiculous........are the odds remote? sure and they are for most teams in the NFL but stating such as 100% certain is idiocy. I know the absolutists hate to hear this but the same stupidity was stated in pittsburgh for Cowher.........and I know they are 2 different coaches and 2 different situations but the simple reality is that to say, with 100% certainty that it is impossible for Reid to win a SB is just silly.....and to express your dislike of Reid's performance by insulting him personally is problematic on so many fronts......you can not like the job he is doing now without insulting him personally........he has done a good job with this franchise...it may be time for him to go and it may not, I have no idea......but he should have at least earned the respect of the fans.
Mr. Bonko
QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 27 2012, 12:08 PM) *
I guess I just hate absolutes like that that are patently ridiculous........are the odds remote? sure and they are for most teams in the NFL but stating such as 100% certain is idiocy. I know the absolutists hate to hear this but the same stupidity was stated in pittsburgh for Cowher.........and I know they are 2 different coaches and 2 different situations but the simple reality is that to say, with 100% certainty that it is impossible for Reid to win a SB is just silly.....and to express your dislike of Reid's performance by insulting him personally is problematic on so many fronts......you can not like the job he is doing now without insulting him personally........he has done a good job with this franchise...it may be time for him to go and it may not, I have no idea......but he should have at least earned the respect of the fans.


1. On the 100% issue. You need to learn to embrace hyperbole.

2. I don't have to respect him as a coach. His play calling, in-game adjustments, clock management and choices regarding challenges are laughable. Certainly not worthy of respect.

3. As for getting all worked up over me calling him a fat piece of dung -- get over yourselves. He is fat. There is no denying it. He mentions it all the time himself. As for calling him "dung" -- it was motivated by AR the coach b/c he coaches like dung. Not AR the person. But if this such a big deal to people, fine, I retact that statment. But none of this changes how pathetic of a coach he currently is, as well as how bad of QB MV is. And I can't wait to see the door hit Andy's fat ass when we walks out of the Novacare center for the last time in January. That's right, I said fat ass. Is that acceptable or are you goign to go all richeous on me for calling Andy's ass fat?

Jeesh....

TGryn
Gruden? No. Just, no.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/sports/football/17nfl.html
QUOTE
Jon Gruden won a Super Bowl in his first season in Tampa Bay. In the next six seasons the Buccaneers went 0-2 in playoff games, missed the postseason four times and lost their final four games this season including a loss at home to the Raiders in the season finale to miss the playoffs after starting 9-3.


http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2008/dec/29...-wrapup-122908/
Mr. Bonko
QUOTE (TGryn @ Sep 27 2012, 02:47 PM) *
Gruden? No. Just, no.


Then who? XSV?
xsv
QUOTE (Mr. Bonko @ Sep 27 2012, 02:52 PM) *
Then who? XSV?


No way. I'm no Rhodes Scholar. I can barely watch video and tell the difference between someone's chest and their ass.

Maybe RF.
Phits
Jon Gruden won a Superbowl.......

He did it on the back of a Tony Dungy TB squad.....maybe he could do it for a Reid squad......he can suck ass afterwards.

QUOTE (TGryn @ Sep 27 2012, 02:47 PM) *

Mr. Bonko
QUOTE (Phits @ Sep 27 2012, 03:53 PM) *
Jon Gruden won a Superbowl.......

He did it on the back of a Tony Dungy TB squad.....maybe he could do it for a Reid squad......he can suck ass afterwards.


Looks like he just sucked.some sour ass right before that pic was taken.
Reality Fan
QUOTE (Mr. Bonko @ Sep 27 2012, 01:45 PM) *
1. On the 100% issue. You need to learn to embrace hyperbole.

2. I don't have to respect him as a coach. His play calling, in-game adjustments, clock management and choices regarding challenges are laughable. Certainly not worthy of respect.

3. As for getting all worked up over me calling him a fat piece of dung -- get over yourselves. He is fat. There is no denying it. He mentions it all the time himself. As for calling him "dung" -- it was motivated by AR the coach b/c he coaches like dung. Not AR the person. But if this such a big deal to people, fine, I retact that statment. But none of this changes how pathetic of a coach he currently is, as well as how bad of QB MV is. And I can't wait to see the door hit Andy's fat ass when we walks out of the Novacare center for the last time in January. That's right, I said fat ass. Is that acceptable or are you goign to go all richeous on me for calling Andy's ass fat?

Jeesh....


would you like everyone on this board to call you our village idiot just because your post make you seem as such? No...we are nicer than that...that being said.....so he is heavy, why does that bother you so much? Either you or your significant other is a large person and you hate that if his portly figure bothers you that much......and if you don't respect him for what he has accomplished as a coach than you are an idiot........I didn't say you have to like his current performance but for the job he has done since coming here certainly should command some respect from anyone other then a complete idiot


and congrats on your nomination...well deserved
D Rock
QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 27 2012, 11:20 PM) *
and congrats on your nomination...well deserved

Second
Reality Fan
QUOTE (xsv @ Sep 27 2012, 03:11 PM) *
No way. I'm no Rhodes Scholar. I can barely watch video and tell the difference between someone's chest and their ass.

Maybe RF.


you need to lay off the internet porn X....

and I could never have that many people hate me.....I reach my quota here..... tongue.gif
Mr. Bonko
QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 27 2012, 06:20 PM) *
.....so he is heavy, why does that bother you so much? Either you or your significant other is a large person and you hate that if his portly figure bothers you that much......and if you don't respect him for what he has accomplished as a coach than you are an idiot........



Bwahaha....His "portly" figure does not bother me at all. But you sure seem sensitive to weight related comments. My feelings about "Big Red" would be no different if he was svelte or in his current obese state. Your sensitivity is telling.

As for my wife and me, I have nothing to hide (not that I am proud -- at least not of me)

6' 4" -- 235 : I accept I am 15-20 over my college playing weight. But I'll be back to 220 by March. My stupid cycle i seem to follow every year.

Her....

5' 4" -- 115 : Nuff said

Don't believe me? Glad to meet you at the game Sunday. Bring a scale and a tape measure -- but you will be getting weighed too, Jumbo.

Now that we have that out of the way, since you feel compelled and entitled to attack me personally regarding weight and intellect, perhaps I shall lower myself to mentioning your propensity toward.....

Nah, you aren't worthy of the time.

Just grow up douchehbag...
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (Mr. Bonko @ Sep 27 2012, 08:43 PM) *
Don't believe me? Glad to meet you at the game Sunday. Bring a scale and a tape measure -- but you will be getting weighed too, Jumbo.


We have GOT to have a board tailgate party - if for no other reason than to settle every last score about Reid and Vick biggrin.gif
TGryn
Reason I'm vehemently against Gruden: last time we saw him in Philly, he was the whiz-kid OC who could do no wrong. He's not that guy anymore. After winning the Super Bowl with arguably Dungy's team, he's had zero playoff success, and his last Tampa Bay team in '08 basically capsized in December. That last is a huge red flag to me: coaches whose teams give up on them, its usually a symptom of having larger problems relating to players, and that's really hard to fix. Whatever else can be said of Reid, his teams never seem to give up on him, hence his exceptional record in December.

If it comes down to it, I'd rather see them try an up-and-coming coordinator - there's always three or four every year, usually from the Super Bowl or conference teams.
Mr. Bonko
QUOTE (TGryn @ Sep 27 2012, 09:28 PM) *
, hence his exceptional record in December.


January. February.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (Mr. Bonko @ Sep 27 2012, 08:31 PM) *
January. February.


You mean the playoffs, where he has a winning record?
Mr. Bonko
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 27 2012, 09:35 PM) *
You mean the playoffs, where he has a winning record?


You're right. He is a post-season genius.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (Mr. Bonko @ Sep 27 2012, 08:41 PM) *
You're right. He is a post-season genius.


I didn't say that. You're implying he's a buffoon. We haven't had great QB play since 2004. What other team/coach has had success without a QB?
Reality Fan
QUOTE (Mr. Bonko @ Sep 27 2012, 08:43 PM) *
Bwahaha....His "portly" figure does not bother me at all. But you sure seem sensitive to weight related comments. My feelings about "Big Red" would be no different if he was svelte or in his current obese state. Your sensitivity is telling.

As for my wife and me, I have nothing to hide (not that I am proud -- at least not of me)

6' 4" -- 235 : I accept I am 15-20 over my college playing weight. But I'll be back to 220 by March. My stupid cycle i seem to follow every year.

Her....

5' 4" -- 115 : Nuff said

Don't believe me? Glad to meet you at the game Sunday. Bring a scale and a tape measure -- but you will be getting weighed too, Jumbo.

Now that we have that out of the way, since you feel compelled and entitled to attack me personally regarding weight and intellect, perhaps I shall lower myself to mentioning your propensity toward.....

Nah, you aren't worthy of the time.

Just grow up douchehbag...



well at least we can look each other in the eye......it appears we are the same size.....I was up to 235 but I felt a little heavy so I am back down to 225.....helps me jump a little better even at 46......

I have already packed the tape and scale.... cool.gif

and it seems I have hurt your feelings.....and I didn't even call you fatass or anything like that......and I am the douchebad? because I pointed out how stupid it is to not at least have some respect for the job Reid has done since he has been here? Did I say you have to loke him? no Did I say you can't critique the job he is doing now? no...I just pointed out how stupid personal attacks are when directed at him so really, who is the douchebag?

I have been the adult(which many here will be shocked by).....for someone who has no problem directing vitriol at others you sure are thinskinned....
Phits
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 27 2012, 09:47 PM) *
I didn't say that. You're implying he's a buffoon. We haven't had great QB play since 2004. What other team/coach has had success without a QB?

The QB's have been his choice. He has coached them into his system. Yet, somehow he hasn't recognized that the game he is planning is suitable for his QB.

Youo say we haven't had good QB play since '04....I say we haven't had good coaching since then either.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (Phits @ Sep 27 2012, 10:34 PM) *
The QB's have been his choice. He has coached them into his system. Yet, somehow he hasn't recognized that the game he is planning is suitable for his QB.

Youo say we haven't had good QB play since '04....I say we haven't had good coaching since then either.


You act like acquiring a great QB is easy. We missed on Kolb in the 2nd round, but the reality is that most recent great ones have been selected early. We haven't been in position to nab those guys because of our consistent success under Reid.
Despite that, he has kept us competitive for the better part of 13 years. Reid isn't the problem. Not having a QB is. Foles looks intriguing. I would like to see what Reid can do with him.
Phits
I'd like to see what a coach who can develop QB's could do with Foles.
I'd like to see what a coach who understands his players strengths and weaknesses, and plans around them, could do with Foles.

QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 28 2012, 12:26 AM) *
You act like acquiring a great QB is easy. We missed on Kolb in the 2nd round, but the reality is that most recent great ones have been selected early. We haven't been in position to nab those guys because of our consistent success under Reid.
Despite that, he has kept us competitive for the better part of 13 years. Reid isn't the problem. Not having a QB is. Foles looks intriguing. I would like to see what Reid can do with him.

HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 28 2012, 12:26 AM) *
You act like acquiring a great QB is easy. We missed on Kolb in the 2nd round, but the reality is that most recent great ones have been selected early. We haven't been in position to nab those guys because of our consistent success under Reid.
Despite that, he has kept us competitive for the better part of 13 years. Reid isn't the problem. Not having a QB is. Foles looks intriguing. I would like to see what Reid can do with him.


This is where a misguided argument turns into Reid-apologist-rambling. This is his 14th year as head coach - everyone on our roster for every year, and everyone on the field is here because he wants them to be. If he thought our QBs were inadequate, he could've traded for them or traded for draft picks to acquire one. And we just got lit up by our missed pick who was supposed to be our 'future.'
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Sep 28 2012, 07:43 AM) *
This is where a misguided argument turns into Reid-apologist-rambling. This is his 14th year as head coach - everyone on our roster for every year, and everyone on the field is here because he wants them to be. If he thought our QBs were inadequate, he could've traded for them or traded for draft picks to acquire one. And we just got lit up by our missed pick who was supposed to be our 'future.'


And this is where the people on this board have a proven misguided understanding of how the NFL works. There are 32 teams competing for the same players. Due to limitations in the amount of quality guys at every position, every team has players on thei roster who they would either prefer not be on the team at all. Or not starting.

As for the case of QB's, that situation is magnified due to the importance of the position. The fact that Reid flirted with the idea of bringing in Manning and there were rumors that we inquired about moving up for Griffin, is because he obviously isn't completely satisfied with our situation.

The problem is: lots of other teams inquired about Manning and several variables (ie his brother being our biggest rival) contributed to him going somewhere else. And other teams had greater ammunition to put themselves in position to draft Griffin. So we are stuck with the other guy with other worldly physical abilities, but less than required QB capabilities. And every year, Reid will continue to attempt to acquire us a QB who can lead this team to a SB.

To suggest that Kolb lit us up last week is only the third or fourth most bullshit element of your post.
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE
And this is where the people on this board have a proven misguided understanding of how the NFL works.


Then help me out. My understanding is that each team gets 7 draft picks a year. You can trade up or down and trade picks, etc., but in 14 drafts a coach would've had at face value the equivalent of 98 picks. If the 'horse-whisperer of QBs' can't find a championship caliber QB in that lump of picks, something isn't adding up.

QUOTE
The fact that Reid flirted with the idea of bringing in Manning and there were rumors that we inquired about moving up for Griffin, is because he obviously isn't completely satisfied with our situation.


The FACT is that Reid has drafted McNabb, Feeley, Hall, Kolb, Kafka, and Foles (the truth!). The fact is he brought in Vick to back up Kolb and run the wildcat until we realized how much Kolb sucked. The fact is he brought in Vince Young. The fact is we have someone on our depth chart who's nickname as a starter was 'captain checkdown,' ready to take over and run a 50-pass-per-game offense. The fact is we had Tim Hasselbeck. The fact is I'm only continuing this argument out of pure amusement, it's so pathetic to suggest the walrus would bring us a ring IF ONLY HE COULD FIND A QB!

QUOTE
To suggest that Kolb lit us up last week is only the third or fourth most bullshit element of your post.


Well SOMEONE lit us up! Was Fitzgerald tossing passes to himself?!?!? Who had a 127 QB rating?
Phits
QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 28 2012, 09:13 AM) *
And this is where the people on this board have a proven misguided understanding of how the NFL works. There are 32 teams competing for the same players. Due to limitations in the amount of quality guys at every position, every team has players on thei roster who they would either prefer not be on the team at all. Or not starting.

As for the case of QB's, that situation is magnified due to the importance of the position. The fact that Reid flirted with the idea of bringing in Manning and there were rumors that we inquired about moving up for Griffin, is because he obviously isn't completely satisfied with our situation.

The problem is: lots of other teams inquired about Manning and several variables (ie his brother being our biggest rival) contributed to him going somewhere else. And other teams had greater ammunition to put themselves in position to draft Griffin. So we are stuck with the other guy with other worldly physical abilities, but less than required QB capabilities. And every year, Reid will continue to attempt to acquire us a QB who can lead this team to a SB.

To suggest that Kolb lit us up last week is only the third or fourth most bullshit element of your post.

I call BS. simply put, he is a poor talent evaluator. what he lacks in that area he makes up for in hard work and dedication.

mcnabbulous
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Sep 28 2012, 08:45 AM) *
Then help me out. My understanding is that each team gets 7 draft picks a year. You can trade up or down and trade picks, etc., but in 14 drafts a coach would've had at face value the equivalent of 98 picks. If the 'horse-whisperer of QBs' can't find a championship caliber QB in that lump of picks, something isn't adding up.

Ahh, this is sound logic. As if all picks are created equal. What I'll do for you below is show you just how ignorant your irrational theories are...

Then again, I'm not the one that calls Reid the 'horse whisperer of QB's.' So I guess my standards are a bit lower.

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The FACT is that Reid has drafted McNabb, Feeley, Hall, Kolb, Kafka, and Foles (the truth!). The fact is he brought in Vick to back up Kolb and run the wildcat until we realized how much Kolb sucked. The fact is he brought in Vince Young. The fact is we have someone on our depth chart who's nickname as a starter was 'captain checkdown,' ready to take over and run a 50-pass-per-game offense. The fact is we had Tim Hasselbeck. The fact is I'm only continuing this argument out of pure amusement, it's so pathetic to suggest the walrus would bring us a ring IF ONLY HE COULD FIND A QB!

First, lets look at the guys we have drafted.
McNabb - The only top-5 pick in the Reid era. Made the controversial decision of drafting McNabb. That guy quickly emerged as one of the best weapons in football. Unfortunately, for a myriad of reasons (injury, conditioning issues), his flame burned out much quicker than his contemporaries which were drafted around the same time (Manning, Brady)
Feeley - Wasn't even a starter in college, yet developed and traded for a 2nd round pick.
Hall - Late pick, those virtually never pan out.
Kolb - Second round pick, thought to be the future, but didn't pan out. That happens quite often, even regularly with guys drafted much higher.
Kafka - Fourth round pick. Limited athlete. Never had high expectations.
Foles - Third round pick. Future unknown

So if you're being honest with yourself (which you clearly aren't) - we've taken two QB's whom were expected to develop. One worked, the other didn't. Sure, we didn't win a championship, but several factors (including a bit of bad luck) contributed to that not happening.

So now we can take a look at the great QB's of the day and talk about Reid's failure to acquire them.
P. Manning - Drafted first overall the year before Reid got to Philly. Surely you can't blame him for that, right? Then we had virtually no chance to acquire him as a FA because his brother plays for our biggest rival.
Brady - 6th round fluke who turned into one of (the?) greatest QB's of all time. 32 teams didn't expect that to happen.
Rodgers - Drafted 24th the offseason after our SB appearance. We had the 31st pick. Hypothetically we could have made the move to draft him, but no rational person would think we would be drafting a QB the same year our 28 year old QB led us to a SB appearance, right?
Brees - Originally drafted in the second round while we had McNabb in his glory years. In theory, we could have made an offer after the 2005 season (when McNabb got hurt) but that would have been unlikely. It also is doubtful that Brees would have come here, given his desire to help rebuild New Orleans.
Eli - Drafted 1st overall the year we started with the 28th pick. No chance.
Big Ben - Same year as Eli. 11th pick. We potentially could have moved up to get him, but we were also coming off 3 straight NFC championship appearances and our QB was 27. We weren't really in the market.

So that covers all of the guys who have proven to be SB champions. Was it realistic for us to acquire any of them? Maybe Brees, but that would have been very doubtful.

Feel free to pick out a handful of other QB's who you think are likely to win SB's in the NFL right now. We can go down that road.

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Well SOMEONE lit us up! Was Fitzgerald tossing passes to himself?!?!? Who had a 127 QB rating?

He had 222 yards. It was a solid, ball control game. We're also talking about the guy who couldn't beat out John Skelton for the starting spot on the team this year, so I'm not feeling much of a loss. Especially considering his departure resulted in us getting DRC, Boykin, and Curry.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (Phits @ Sep 28 2012, 08:53 AM) *
I call BS. simply put, he is a poor talent evaluator. what he lacks in that area he makes up for in hard work and dedication.

Here is where your logic simply fails. You can't have it both ways. Either Reid is a poor talent evaluator, or he is a bad coach. We've had too much success for it to be both.

We compete for a division title almost every year. We either do that because we're talented, which would dispel the notion that he's a poor talent evaluator...

Or because he is a good coach, and he overcomes the flaws on the roster due to his poor talent evaluation.
Phits
Here's the problem. Presumably this coach runs practices and watches game film. How is it that he doesn't recognize the weaknesses of his QB's? Why does he not give his 'inaccurate' QB's more run support? Why not call plays designed to accentuate their strengths and capabilities? It's not simply about the players he drafted (or didn't draft) it's about what he does with them once he has them. Typically what we see is inconsistency. "Inconsistently Good" That should be the tag line for this franchise.

QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 28 2012, 11:10 AM) *
Ahh, this is sound logic. As if all picks are created equal. What I'll do for you below is show you just how ignorant your irrational theories are...

Then again, I'm not the one that calls Reid the 'horse whisperer of QB's.' So I guess my standards are a bit lower.


First, lets look at the guys we have drafted.
McNabb - The only top-5 pick in the Reid era. Made the controversial decision of drafting McNabb. That guy quickly emerged as one of the best weapons in football. Unfortunately, for a myriad of reasons (injury, conditioning issues), his flame burned out much quicker than his contemporaries which were drafted around the same time (Manning, Brady)
Feeley - Wasn't even a starter in college, yet developed and traded for a 2nd round pick.
Hall - Late pick, those virtually never pan out.
Kolb - Second round pick, thought to be the future, but didn't pan out. That happens quite often, even regularly with guys drafted much higher.
Kafka - Fourth round pick. Limited athlete. Never had high expectations.
Foles - Third round pick. Future unknown

So if you're being honest with yourself (which you clearly aren't) - we've taken two QB's whom were expected to develop. One worked, the other didn't. Sure, we didn't win a championship, but several factors (including a bit of bad luck) contributed to that not happening.

So now we can take a look at the great QB's of the day and talk about Reid's failure to acquire them.
P. Manning - Drafted first overall the year before Reid got to Philly. Surely you can't blame him for that, right? Then we had virtually no chance to acquire him as a FA because his brother plays for our biggest rival.
Brady - 6th round fluke who turned into one of (the?) greatest QB's of all time. 32 teams didn't expect that to happen.
Rodgers - Drafted 24th the offseason after our SB appearance. We had the 31st pick. Hypothetically we could have made the move to draft him, but no rational person would think we would be drafting a QB the same year our 28 year old QB led us to a SB appearance, right?
Brees - Originally drafted in the second round while we had McNabb in his glory years. In theory, we could have made an offer after the 2005 season (when McNabb got hurt) but that would have been unlikely. It also is doubtful that Brees would have come here, given his desire to help rebuild New Orleans.
Eli - Drafted 1st overall the year we started with the 28th pick. No chance.
Big Ben - Same year as Eli. 11th pick. We potentially could have moved up to get him, but we were also coming off 3 straight NFC championship appearances and our QB was 27. We weren't really in the market.

So that covers all of the guys who have proven to be SB champions. Was it realistic for us to acquire any of them? Maybe Brees, but that would have been very doubtful.

Feel free to pick out a handful of other QB's who you think are likely to win SB's in the NFL right now. We can go down that road.


He had 222 yards. It was a solid, ball control game. We're also talking about the guy who couldn't beat out John Skelton for the starting spot on the team this year, so I'm not feeling much of a loss. Especially considering his departure resulted in us getting DRC, Boykin, and Curry.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (Phits @ Sep 28 2012, 11:22 AM) *
Here's the problem. Presumably this coach runs practices and watches game film. How is it that he doesn't recognize the weaknesses of his QB's? Why does he not give his 'inaccurate' QB's more run support? Why not call plays designed to accentuate their strengths and capabilities? It's not simply about the players he drafted (or didn't draft) it's about what he does with them once he has them. Typically what we see is inconsistency. "Inconsistently Good" That should be the tag line for this franchise.

What plays do you think he's not calling for Vick to accencuate his strengths? Later in McNabb's career, we almost primarily gave him either deep options (his strength) or dump offs/screens.

The same is true for Vick. What exactly do you recommend?
HOUSEoPAIN
QUOTE (Phits @ Sep 28 2012, 12:22 PM) *
Here's the problem.


The problem is we're wasting time explaining to someone that in 14 years of coaching, a position that is supposedly the specialty of our head coach is the only reason we haven't won a championship - his 'curse' of not having a QB.

Like I said before, Reid could coach another 30 years - and after 44 years of no rings, Reid apologists would be screaming how he just can't get a freakin QB.

Give it up.....
Phits
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Sep 28 2012, 01:03 PM) *
The problem is we're wasting time explaining to someone that in 14 years of coaching, a position that is supposedly the specialty of our head coach is the only reason we haven't won a championship - his 'curse' of not having a QB.

Like I said before, Reid could coach another 30 years - and after 44 years of no rings, Reid apologists would be screaming how he just can't get a freakin QB.

Give it up.....

'nuff said.
mcnabbulous
QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Sep 28 2012, 12:03 PM) *
The problem is we're wasting time explaining to someone that in 14 years of coaching, a position that is supposedly the specialty of our head coach is the only reason we haven't won a championship - his 'curse' of not having a QB.

Like I said before, Reid could coach another 30 years - and after 44 years of no rings, Reid apologists would be screaming how he just can't get a freakin QB.

Give it up.....

So what do you think is the difference between Reid and Cowher, who you've admitted being a huge fan of? You would have been calling for his head if you were a Steelers fan. (of course keep in mind that I know you'll deny this, because you're full of shit)

Look around the NFL. Every team plays to the level of their QB. When we had great QB play, we were great. When our QB play has been good, we've been good. And so on.

The difference is that Reid is one of the few people that has been able to sustain that level of play for more than a decade. Much like Cowher.

Those are the guys that are few and far between. And the guys you shouldn't let get away.

The problem is acquiring one of those guys. It's hard, as I pointed out. We had a very good, arguably great one for about 5 years. It should have lasted longer.

So try not to avoid this question. Which SB winning QB should we have acquired? And how was it's Reid's fault that we didn't?
Reality Fan
did you ever notice that if you question anyone who says anything negative about Reid their first and only argument is "your a Reid apologist" regardless of whether you use facts to support your point of view or not.........it is rather amusing.....would that make them 'anti Reid apologists"?
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