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igglesblogman
How will the players' union respond?

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Adam "Pacman" Jones of Tennessee was suspended Tuesday for the 2007 NFL season and Chris Henry of Cincinnati received an eight-game suspension -- both for numerous violations of the NFL's personal conduct policy.

The two players are suspended without pay, the NFL announced.

After they serve their suspensions, each player must apply for reinstatement.

"We must protect the integrity of the NFL," commissioner Roger Goodell said. "The highest standards of conduct must be met by everyone in the NFL because it is a privilege to represent the NFL, not a right. These players, and all members of our league, have to make the right choices and decisions in their conduct on a consistent basis."

In a letter to each player, Goodell wrote: "Your conduct has brought embarrassment and ridicule upon yourself, your club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league. You have put in jeopardy an otherwise promising NFL career, and have risked both your own safety and the safety of others through your off-field actions. In each of these respects, you have engaged in conduct detrimental to the NFL and failed to live up to the standards expected of NFL players. Taken as a whole, this conduct warrants significant sanction."

Jones' off-field conduct has included 10 incidents where he was interviewed by police. The most recent took place in Las Vegas during the NBA All-Star weekend. Las Vegas police have recommended felony and misdemeanor charges against Jones after a fight and shooting at a strip club that paralyzed one man.

Henry was arrested four times in a 14-month span, resulting in two benchings by coach Marvin Lewis and a two-game league suspension. He was one of nine Bengals arrested in nine months.

Jones' suspension carries the following conditions:


• He must have no more run-in with law enforcement.

• He must comply with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned by the NFL or the judicial system.

• He must obey the restrictions that have been agreed to by he and the Titans.


• He may not be at the Titans' facility through May 31 and may not participate in any practices or workouts during his suspension. Starting June 1, he must visit the team facility once per week to meet with the team's player development director. Also, beginning June 1, he is permitted to spend one day a week at the team facility for conditioning, film study, and other activities.

• In conjunction with the Titans, Jones must develop a structured program of community service or other activity. This program must be submitted to the NFL for approval.

Henry will be reinstated after the Bengals' eighth regular-season game if he meets the following conditions:

• He must have no more run-in with law enforcement.


• He must comply with all required counseling, education, and treatment assigned by the NFL or the judicial system.


• He is allowed to be at the Bengals' facilities during the rest of the offseason and he must meet weekly with the team's player development director.


• If he fully complies with all conditions, he may participate in the training camp and Bengals preseason games.


• During the 2007 season, he must meet weekly with the team's player development director, but he may not attend or participate in practice.


• He must fully comply with all conditions imposed on him by any court, including requirements of community service.

If Jones and Henry do not fully comply with these conditions, they could be permanently banished from the NFL.

"I must emphasize to you that this is your last opportunity to salvage your NFL career," Goodell wrote to the players. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you in that effort."
mprincz
Not messing around with these guys. Good for the NFL.
igglesblogman
Usually people throw "the book" at wrongdoers, but Goodell is a different kind of guy.

It's kind of a spiky back. Well suited for throwing. And very very heavy.
TGryn
I'm not sure the union can allow this to stand, especially with Upshaw being criticized already for being too friendly with the league office. I doubt they'd call for a general strike over this, but there's other ways they can protest related to the CBA ratifications & extensions, as well as general work slowdowns refusing "voluntary" practices during the offseason, etc.).
Sandor
QUOTE(igglesblogman @ Apr 10 2007, 02:16 PM) [snapback]110745[/snapback]

Usually people throw "the book" at wrongdoers, but Goodell is a different kind of guy.

It's kind of a spiky back. Well suited for throwing. And very very heavy.


Goodell is a new type of commish. He'll sacrifice his well being to serve the league. laugh.gif
I'm sure he can do the training camp tour lying down. wink.gif

QUOTE(TGryn @ Apr 10 2007, 03:50 PM) [snapback]110749[/snapback]

I'm not sure the union can allow this to stand, especially with Upshaw being criticized already for being too friendly with the league office. I doubt they'd call for a general strike over this, but there's other ways they can protest related to the CBA ratifications & extensions, as well as general work slowdowns refusing "voluntary" practices during the offseason, etc.).


My understanding is that the union was working hand-in-hand with Goodall on this issue.
Maybe the sevarity of the rulings will change things.
Reality Fan
QUOTE(TGryn @ Apr 10 2007, 04:50 PM) [snapback]110749[/snapback]

I'm not sure the union can allow this to stand, especially with Upshaw being criticized already for being too friendly with the league office. I doubt they'd call for a general strike over this, but there's other ways they can protest related to the CBA ratifications & extensions, as well as general work slowdowns refusing "voluntary" practices during the offseason, etc.).


Ughh, sounds like union-speak.

Say it ain't so.......

They can't and won't do shit.

If they try, they will be the laughing stock of unions everywhere. Their problems with their memberswere getting out of hand. You can't bet they will let these 2 idiots swing with nothing but a few feeble protests, if that.
bullwinkle
I would be inclined to think that most players will probably support this kind of discipline. These players aren't a couple of good guys who got busted for smoking pot. These two really are an embarassment to the league. If parents can't feel comfortable letting their kids look at the players as role models, there will be a lot of money lost. And I think the players are smart enough to know that.
GQSmooth
Goodell has already smoothed things over with the Players Union. He has met with Gene Upshaw as well as several key players with the players union. The announcement that Goodell has a player's comittee,much like Reid and has met with them, tells me he has already smoothed things over and they will not be trying to go after the suspensions to send a message.
magoo
QUOTE(GQSmooth @ Apr 10 2007, 05:37 PM) [snapback]110754[/snapback]

Goodell has already smoothed things over with the Players Union. He has met with Gene Upshaw as well as several key players with the players union. The announcement that Goodell has a player's comittee,much like Reid and has met with them, tells me he has already smoothed things over and they will not be trying to go after the suspensions to send a message.


On the NFL Network today it was mentioned that most active players did NOT think it was too severe ... if anything, they thought it was "fair", with some evidence that they thought it might be too LENIENT! I'm sure Upshaw is aware of that, as well as the "new" player" advisory committee, which I believe has already had some input to the final decision.

Now ... if they could only do something about a single player (ala TO) dominating media attention to the detriment of the remaining 52 members of the teams/owners/coaching staffs. IMO, that may only be "borderline", but surely it's detrimental to the interests of owners, the league officiials AND the "image" of the NFL. (Not jest last year in DullAss, but looka the distractions in Philly fer all of 2005).

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nephillymike
I'm normally fine with this type of discipline action and on one hand I commend the NFL for it.

But I have a few questions.

#1. Were they tried and convicted of any crimes? If not yet, then a presumed guilty thing seems to go against the laws we live by.

#2. If tried and convicted, how does this stack up against beating up your wife in public ala Brett Myers? Seems there needs to be consistency in suspension versus crime.

But if the players of the league are OK with it, more power to them.

I don't know either of these guys cases that well, so what exactly did they do and have they been tried and convicted?

Man, that is sooooo bleeding heart liberal of me. I think I need a shower! devil03.gif
Ig_L
QUOTE(igglesblogman @ Apr 10 2007, 03:16 PM) [snapback]110745[/snapback]

Usually people throw "the book" at wrongdoers, but Goodell is a different kind of guy.

It's kind of a spiky back. Well suited for throwing. And very very heavy.

I was hoping the back would be Brandon Jacobs. THAT would be punishing. Goodell was pumping iron in the off season.
bullwinkle
They both seem to have an inclination for being around violent crime. I think both were involved in situations where someone died or was severely beaten.
Zero
QUOTE(nephillymike @ Apr 10 2007, 09:43 PM) [snapback]110765[/snapback]

I'm normally fine with this type of discipline action and on one hand I commend the NFL for it.

But I have a few questions.

#1. Were they tried and convicted of any crimes? If not yet, then a presumed guilty thing seems to go against the laws we live by.

#2. If tried and convicted, how does this stack up against beating up your wife in public ala Brett Myers? Seems there needs to be consistency in suspension versus crime.

But if the players of the league are OK with it, more power to them.

I don't know either of these guys cases that well, so what exactly did they do and have they been tried and convicted?

Man, that is sooooo bleeding heart liberal of me. I think I need a shower! devil03.gif

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Pacman Jones' Criminal History
Free Republic ^ | August 27, 2006 | Vanity


Posted on 08/27/2006 10:38:55 AM PDT by mcg2000


Just a quick taste of this "quality" citizen of the NFL community ...

10/2003: Jones was sentenced to one year in jail following a bar fight while he was a student at West Virginia University, but the sentence was suspended and he was placed on two years probation. His probation was scheduled to end on Thursday.

4/27/05: Adam "Pacman" Jones was at Club Blaze in Conley, Ga., around 3 a.m. ET on April 27 when officers responded to a fight involving two women. Andrea Akins, a supervisor at the club, told police she was punched in the mouth by a woman who was with Jones. But she later told police the woman "had nothing to do with the altercation," a police report said.

Both women were handcuffed, but were released without any arrests.

7/13/05: The Tennessee Titans' top draft pick, Adam "Pacman" Jones, was arrested Wednesday on charges of assault and felony vandalism stemming from a nightclub altercation. Jones surrendered to Nashville police at Titans headquarters Wednesday morning. Jones was in handcuffs, a white T-shirt and light blue exercise pants when he appeared smiling before a night court commissioner, who set bond at $7,000. The charges included one felony vandalism charge and two misdemeanor counts of assault.

9/5/05: The annual Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon was held at the Renaissance Hotel. Among the 800 guest was none other than Pacman Jones ... later that evening Jones was counseled for a loud verbal tantrum when he was told to wait in line for his vehicle. He also refused to pay for any valet services used that evening.

10/25/05: In a petition filed by the state, it was alleged that Jones has not made regular and sufficient contact with his probation officer and that he did not report his July arrest in Nashville in a timely fashion.

Judge Robert Stone in Morgantown granted the probation extension of 90 days, though the state requested for it to be extended up to a year.

4/11/06: Nine people were arrested on suspicion of having roles in two major drug rings that trafficked cocaine and marijuana in Sumner and Davidson counties, including a Nashville man with possible ties to Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, authorities said yesterday.

Officers from Davidson and Sumner counties seized 1,653 pounds of marijuana, 128 pounds of cocaine, more than 20 vehicles and $608,000, police said.

4/18/06: Police say Pacman was one of 12 or more people that gathered at a gas station in Nashville when a fight broke out and gunshots were fired.

A surveillance camera shows that Pacman was identified as being in the crowd and he confirmed that fact to police.

8/23/06: Jones was also accused of simple assault by Toya Garth, who said Jones spit in her face. Garth said Jones "got very close to her and spit in her face, and which point she stated she spit back in his face,'' according to statement taken by police.

After Jones was asked to leave, police said he began yelling profanities and was arrested by Officer Matt Baldwin.

"Mr. Jones was given several opportunities to leave, he just wouldn't do it,'' Lt. Alvin Baird said. "As he was leaving he hung out the passenger side of the vehicle and began yelling profanities at the security at Sweetwater Saloon, and he put us in a place where we had to do something. Jones was also said to have bloodshot eyes and a strong odor of alcohol.

He was placed under arrest for disorderly conduct and public drunkenness.
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igglesblogman
There's also the Vegas strip club thing.

Evidently he also hasn't reported all his arrests to the team and the league, as is required of all players by the CBA. That's a very big violation of league rules.

On the other hand, you can see how it might be difficult for him to keep track.
BirdsWinBaby
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#1. Were they tried and convicted of any crimes? If not yet, then a presumed guilty thing seems to go against the laws we live by.


i agree that something had to be done and agree that the suspensions were warranted. as for waiting for the players to be convicted, that is what the teams always do. they say they cannot discipline until the court case is settled. pacman was a clear case of a guy who should never have been drafted. im not sure he can keep his nose clean during his suspension so it might be the last we see of him until they broadcast his final mugshot before his induction into the penal system

he's still got money, and now he has LOTS of time...news at 11

that one thing on zero's list about some chick who was "with" pacman when she got into a fight is very weak though
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