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- GroundedBird   Biggest need for 2018-2019 Season   Feb 28 2018, 09:28 AM
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post Feb 28 2018, 09:28 AM
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To me the biggest need for next season is the LB area. With Hick's health history and Bradham becoming a free agent, I think this is the biggest area of risk.

Is LB bigger than the need than OT given Peter's injury?

Am I mistaken?
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QUOTE (GroundedBird @ Feb 28 2018, 09:28 AM) *
To me the biggest need for next season is the LB area. With Hick's health history and Bradham becoming a free agent, I think this is the biggest area of risk.

Is LB bigger than the need than OT given Peter's injury?

Am I mistaken?


With no glaring holes I think that we should go BPA all the way but I agree a linebacker would be nice.
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QUOTE (GroundedBird @ Feb 28 2018, 09:28 AM) *
To me the biggest need for next season is the LB area. With Hick's health history and Bradham becoming a free agent, I think this is the biggest area of risk.

Is LB bigger than the need than OT given Peter's injury?

Am I mistaken?


With no glaring holes I think that we should go BPA all the way but I agree a linebacker would be nice.
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LB depends on whether we keep Bradham or trade Kendricks. If both go, it's the priority.

I'd actually lean towards WR at the moment since Smith is a likely cap casualty. Roseman's comments about WRs not being ready to play means that the pick would get a year to adjust to the NFL and we can evaluate Agholor, Hollins and possibly Gibson.

I don't think we need to address OT unless we cut/trade Peters. Maybe next year however when we have picks on day 2.


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QUOTE (Eyrie @ Feb 28 2018, 02:22 PM) *
LB depends on whether we keep Bradham or trade Kendricks. If both go, it's the priority.

I'd actually lean towards WR at the moment since Smith is a likely cap casualty. Roseman's comments about WRs not being ready to play means that the pick would get a year to adjust to the NFL and we can evaluate Agholor, Hollins and possibly Gibson.

I don't think we need to address OT unless we cut/trade Peters. Maybe next year however when we have picks on day 2.


IMO the only way that you truly get better is BPA regardless of position (except QB). Free Agency is for filling holes. When you start drafting for need you start getting in trouble and start reaching for players. Remember all those junk safeties that we drafted that all shit the bed after Dawk left?
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I hear you but the Safety that looked the worst has been starting for NE.

N Allen was serviceable even though not what one would expect for a 2nd rounder.

It is always a balance between need and BPA. For example, They are not going to draft a DT in round 1 considering the contracts that are already there. They are likely loosing a former 7th rounder in B Allen. They can use one of their 4th or 5th round picks for a run stuffing backup DT.

I bet they hold onto Kendricks until they know that Bradham is signed. I'm confident he's coming back. Both sides very likely want to get a deal. It is just a matter of finding a number that is fair. The Eagles will have the cap $ from cutting Kendricks after the Bradham deal is done.

Biggest issue is settling the Bradham issue.

I assume they'll draft at least one LB. I would not be surprised if it is in round 2 or 3 (picks from Nick Foles trade or trading down in round 1. They'll need depth in the event of another Hicks injury.

Then deciding on Big V's role. If he is the future starting L OT then they just need to use a mid round pick on someone to be backup OT. If Big V is only a backup, then I assume they'll use their first pick on an OT.

I assume they'll need two TEs. One might be the converted WR, Billy Brown on the practice squad. I could see them drafting a blocking TE in the middle rounds. If they go with two young guys, they will miss the veterans at that position.

I assume they are confident enough in the combo of Hollins, Agholor and Gibson at #2 WR but would not be surprised to see them draft another WR at some point. My impression is that T Smith's physical size as a blocker in the running game won't be easy to replace by the trio of young WRs.

I assume Nick Foles is good as gone.


QUOTE (eagle60 @ Feb 28 2018, 02:48 PM) *
IMO the only way that you truly get better is BPA regardless of position (except QB). Free Agency is for filling holes. When you start drafting for need you start getting in trouble and start reaching for players. Remember all those junk safeties that we drafted that all shit the bed after Dawk left?

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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Feb 28 2018, 03:15 PM) *
I hear you but the Safety that looked the worst has been starting for NE.

N Allen was serviceable even though not what one would expect for a 2nd rounder.

It is always a balance between need and BPA. For example, They are not going to draft a DT in round 1 considering the contracts that are already there. They are likely loosing a former 7th rounder in B Allen. They can use one of their 4th or 5th round picks for a run stuffing backup DT.

I bet they hold onto Kendricks until they know that Bradham is signed. I'm confident he's coming back. Both sides very likely want to get a deal. It is just a matter of finding a number that is fair. The Eagles will have the cap $ from cutting Kendricks after the Bradham deal is done.

Biggest issue is settling the Bradham issue.

I assume they'll draft at least one LB. I would not be surprised if it is in round 2 or 3 (picks from Nick Foles trade or trading down in round 1. They'll need depth in the event of another Hicks injury.

Then deciding on Big V's role. If he is the future starting L OT then they just need to use a mid round pick on someone to be backup OT. If Big V is only a backup, then I assume they'll use their first pick on an OT.

I assume they'll need two TEs. One might be the converted WR, Billy Brown on the practice squad. I could see them drafting a blocking TE in the middle rounds. If they go with two young guys, they will miss the veterans at that position.

I assume they are confident enough in the combo of Hollins, Agholor and Gibson at #2 WR but would not be surprised to see them draft another WR at some point. My impression is that T Smith's physical size as a blocker in the running game won't be easy to replace by the trio of young WRs.

I assume Nick Foles is good as gone.


I guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Joe. The Eagles are so high on Sudfeld that Nick could easily be gone so we're on the same page there anyway. It's BPA all the way for me. I'm sure there is a little wiggle room there but I think that you have to stay true to your board. Who was that safety that Andy reached for in the second round and everybody else had him way back and he really sucked? I couldn't find him at all when I looked at past rosters. He had a weird first name like Jaquan I think.
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QUOTE (eagle60 @ Feb 28 2018, 03:38 PM) *
I guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Joe. The Eagles are so high on Sudfeld that Nick could easily be gone so we're on the same page there anyway. It's BPA all the way for me. I'm sure there is a little wiggle room there but I think that you have to stay true to your board. Who was that safety that Andy reached for in the second round and everybody else had him way back and he really sucked? I couldn't find him at all when I looked at past rosters. He had a weird first name like Jaquan I think.

BPA is absolutely the way to stay out of draft trouble. They could very well draft a DT at 32, or a RB, or any position.


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The correct formula is BPA at a position of need.

We don't need a QB (Wentz), DT (Cox, Jernigan), S (Jenkins, McLeod), RB (Ajayi, Clement), TE (Ertz), or OL (Peters/Vaitai, Wizniewski, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson) in round one. Later rounds would be fine.

We'd need a DE if Curry is traded and Long isn't back, LB if Bradham or Kendricks goes, CB if we're not convinced and WR if Smith is cut.

So we're not locked into just one position.


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QUOTE (Eyrie @ Feb 28 2018, 06:32 PM) *
The correct formula is BPA at a position of need.

We don't need a QB (Wentz), DT (Cox, Jernigan), S (Jenkins, McLeod), RB (Ajayi, Clement), TE (Ertz), or OL (Peters/Vaitai, Wizniewski, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson) in round one. Later rounds would be fine.

We'd need a DE if Curry is traded and Long isn't back, LB if Bradham or Kendricks goes, CB if we're not convinced and WR if Smith is cut.

So we're not locked into just one position.


That's how you get into trouble. If all of our starters are coming back how do you define position of need? At 32 you're not drafting a guy who can start for you anyway in almost all cases. We drafted Agholor to start and it took him until year 3 to be decent.
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QUOTE (Eyrie @ Feb 28 2018, 06:32 PM) *
The correct formula is BPA at a position of need.

We don't need a QB (Wentz), DT (Cox, Jernigan), S (Jenkins, McLeod), RB (Ajayi, Clement), TE (Ertz), or OL (Peters/Vaitai, Wizniewski, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson) in round one. Later rounds would be fine.

We'd need a DE if Curry is traded and Long isn't back, LB if Bradham or Kendricks goes, CB if we're not convinced and WR if Smith is cut.

So we're not locked into just one position.


That's how you get into trouble. If all of our starters are coming back how do you define position of need? At 32 you're not drafting a guy who can start for you anyway in almost all cases. We drafted Agholor to start and it took him until year 3 to be decent.
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QUOTE (Eyrie @ Feb 28 2018, 06:32 PM) *
The correct formula is BPA at a position of need.

We don't need a QB (Wentz), DT (Cox, Jernigan), S (Jenkins, McLeod), RB (Ajayi, Clement), TE (Ertz), or OL (Peters/Vaitai, Wizniewski, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson) in round one. Later rounds would be fine.

We'd need a DE if Curry is traded and Long isn't back, LB if Bradham or Kendricks goes, CB if we're not convinced and WR if Smith is cut.

So we're not locked into just one position.

I am a BPAPON advocate but I eliminate a lot fewer positions than Eyrie. I eliminate QB and maybe but probably not DL. All else is fair game.

One facet of PON is that, to be successful, a draft pick has to have opportunity to play. No QB will play with Wentz here, sans injury. However, at every other spot, you can draft a guy who after one year could be a significant contributor and blossom into a starter. Even DT, DE, you can get a guy who plays 40-50% of the snaps. Not so with QB. Same at S, a guy could play 30% of the snaps with how we use our DB.

In most years you say you plug gaps with FA. With our cap, we can't afford to be players in FA.
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You don't think a LB selected at 32 could be the starting #3 LB for base defense--Kendrick's replacement? I think that LB would be on the field for 30% of the snaps. They had former 7th rounder Joe Walker in that role for a while after the injury to Hicks.

Jordan Matthews, a high 2nd rounder, was productive as a rookie slot WR. Officially that is not a starter but an active role.

If they select a RB at 32, I assume Smallwood or Pumphrey would get cut and the rookie would assume Smallwood's role.

QUOTE (eagle60 @ Feb 28 2018, 06:49 PM) *
That's how you get into trouble. If all of our starters are coming back how do you define position of need? At 32 you're not drafting a guy who can start for you anyway in almost all cases. We drafted Agholor to start and it took him until year 3 to be decent.

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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 28 2018, 07:44 PM) *
I am a BPAPON advocate but I eliminate a lot fewer positions than Eyrie. I eliminate QB and maybe but probably not DL. All else is fair game.

One facet of PON is that, to be successful, a draft pick has to have opportunity to play. No QB will play with Wentz here, sans injury. However, at every other spot, you can draft a guy who after one year could be a significant contributor and blossom into a starter. Even DT, DE, you can get a guy who plays 40-50% of the snaps. Not so with QB. Same at S, a guy could play 30% of the snaps with how we use our DB.

In most years you say you plug gaps with FA. With our cap, we can't afford to be players in FA.

If the BPA is QB there will be good offers to gain value in a trade out. And let's not forget that Dallas drafted Aikman then spent a first rounder on Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft and traded him to N.O. for a one and a three the following year and then a two the next year. QBs have insane value, witness some of the trades the Eagles have made (Feeley, Kolb, Bradford, Foles). If a QB is the BPA you either trade out or draft him for future value.


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QUOTE (One @ Feb 28 2018, 07:59 PM) *
If the BPA is QB there will be good offers to gain value in a trade out. And let's not forget that Dallas drafted Aikman then spent a first rounder on Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft and traded him to N.O. for a one and a three the following year and then a two the next year. QBs have insane value, witness some of the trades the Eagles have made (Feeley, Kolb, Bradford, Foles). If a QB is the BPA you either trade out or draft him for future value.

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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Feb 28 2018, 07:59 PM) *
You don't think a LB selected at 32 could be the starting #3 LB for base defense--Kendrick's replacement? I think that LB would be on the field for 30% of the snaps. They had former 7th rounder Joe Walker in that role for a while after the injury to Hicks.

Jordan Matthews, a high 2nd rounder, was productive as a rookie slot WR. Officially that is not a starter but an active role.

If they select a RB at 32, I assume Smallwood or Pumphrey would get cut and the rookie would assume Smallwood's role.


Probably not. It didn't work out very well at 15 the last time that we drafted for need there (Marcus Smith). Johnson and Cox are the only 2 first rounders that I can think of in the last decade that started from day 1 and Johnson went #4. Even Aggie and Graham took 3 years to develop. Then you have The Fireman.....
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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Feb 28 2018, 07:59 PM) *
You don't think a LB selected at 32 could be the starting #3 LB for base defense--Kendrick's replacement? I think that LB would be on the field for 30% of the snaps. They had former 7th rounder Joe Walker in that role for a while after the injury to Hicks.

Jordan Matthews, a high 2nd rounder, was productive as a rookie slot WR. Officially that is not a starter but an active role.

If they select a RB at 32, I assume Smallwood or Pumphrey would get cut and the rookie would assume Smallwood's role.


Probably not. It didn't work out very well at 15 the last time that we drafted for need there (Marcus Smith). Johnson and Cox are the only 2 first rounders that I can think of in the last decade that started from day 1 and Johnson went #4. Even Aggie and Graham took 3 years to develop. Then you have The Fireman.....I did forget The Messiah though!!
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 28 2018, 08:20 PM) *
Good point.

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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Mar 1 2018, 12:44 AM) *
I am a BPAPON advocate but I eliminate a lot fewer positions than Eyrie. I eliminate QB and maybe but probably not DL. All else is fair game.

One facet of PON is that, to be successful, a draft pick has to have opportunity to play. No QB will play with Wentz here, sans injury. However, at every other spot, you can draft a guy who after one year could be a significant contributor and blossom into a starter. Even DT, DE, you can get a guy who plays 40-50% of the snaps. Not so with QB. Same at S, a guy could play 30% of the snaps with how we use our DB.

In most years you say you plug gaps with FA. With our cap, we can't afford to be players in FA.

Good logical explanation.

But I'd add that what we do this year has to take into account that we only have one pick in the first three rounds so #32 has to be a contributor (subject to the usual caveats about blown picks). The positions I listed are those where I see the rookie getting the most game time compared to other positions.




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QUOTE (One @ Mar 1 2018, 12:59 AM) *
If the BPA is QB there will be good offers to gain value in a trade out. And let's not forget that Dallas drafted Aikman then spent a first rounder on Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft and traded him to N.O. for a one and a three the following year and then a two the next year. QBs have insane value, witness some of the trades the Eagles have made (Feeley, Kolb, Bradford, Foles). If a QB is the BPA you either trade out or draft him for future value.

I don't think there is such a thing as BPA at #32 as there are too many players of equivalent quality available. It's not like we're picking at #2.

That means you're looking at BPAPON, and if some other team sees a player they want then I'm open to trading - say for a mid second and mid third, with us throwing in a fifth or sixth as a sweetener.


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