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- nephillymike   What Would Nick Prefer?   Feb 19 2018, 09:56 PM
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> What Would Nick Prefer?
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http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/quart...ck/signed-2017/

Foles is due to make about $7M of cash this year.

I think, based upon some of the recent mid level deals, he should get guaranteed salary and signing bonus of at least $20M for a short term deal of three years or so.

How can he turn that opportunity down?

It is an opportunity this year that will only happen via trade. Maybe because that limits his options, maybe Nick is OK with hanging in here for a year and take a 13M hit for one year in the hopes of gaining some of it back as a completely free agent.

However, even though he will get more if he waits a year, he won't make up for the 13M that I can see. I think his career earnings takes a hit if he stays. Not a 13M hit, but probably at least $5M.

But he likes it here and does not seem to be a chase the money type guy.

But still, $5M or more, what would you do? What will he want? What should he do?
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He is young enough to be a starter for someone for at least several years.

The opportunity to go back to Arizona where he was college QB and closer to home has to be attractive in addition to the big payday.

Others have suggested that he'll just get low-end starter money, more like $15mil.

I seriously doubt he'll be in Philly next year.

I agree that he does not seem the type to need max $.

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http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/quart...ck/signed-2017/

Foles is due to make about $7M of cash this year.

I think, based upon some of the recent mid level deals, he should get guaranteed salary and signing bonus of at least $20M for a short term deal of three years or so.

How can he turn that opportunity down?

It is an opportunity this year that will only happen via trade. Maybe because that limits his options, maybe Nick is OK with hanging in here for a year and take a 13M hit for one year in the hopes of gaining some of it back as a completely free agent.

However, even though he will get more if he waits a year, he won't make up for the 13M that I can see. I think his career earnings takes a hit if he stays. Not a 13M hit, but probably at least $5M.

But he likes it here and does not seem to be a chase the money type guy.

But still, $5M or more, what would you do? What will he want? What should he do?

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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 19 2018, 09:56 PM) *
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/quart...ck/signed-2017/

Foles is due to make about $7M of cash this year.

I think, based upon some of the recent mid level deals, he should get guaranteed salary and signing bonus of at least $20M for a short term deal of three years or so.

How can he turn that opportunity down?

It is an opportunity this year that will only happen via trade. Maybe because that limits his options, maybe Nick is OK with hanging in here for a year and take a 13M hit for one year in the hopes of gaining some of it back as a completely free agent.

However, even though he will get more if he waits a year, he won't make up for the 13M that I can see. I think his career earnings takes a hit if he stays. Not a 13M hit, but probably at least $5M.

But he likes it here and does not seem to be a chase the money type guy.

But still, $5M or more, what would you do? What will he want? What should he do?


It's always about the money and Nick will do what he has to do. And don't kid yourself, he wants to start. He's a competitor just like everybody else in the NFL. I'm sorry but Nick has to be traded. As much as I love the guy this is the NFL, not high school. He'll always be a legend with the love that goes with it in Philly but the team comes first. The plan was for Nick to go next year and have Sudfeld back up Wentz and I think that we have to stick with that unless the Birds just don't want to take a chance with Wentz's knee. I'm sure the Eagles will accommodate him as much as they can but football is football and it's not always hunky dory.
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QUOTE (eagle60 @ Feb 19 2018, 10:55 PM) *
It's always about the money and Nick will do what he has to do. And don't kid yourself, he wants to start. He's a competitor just like everybody else in the NFL. I'm sorry but Nick has to be traded. As much as I love the guy this is the NFL, not high school. He'll always be a legend with the love that goes with it in Philly but the team comes first. The plan was for Nick to go next year and have Sudfeld back up Wentz and I think that we have to stick with that unless the Birds just don't want to take a chance with Wentz's knee. I'm sure the Eagles will accommodate him as much as they can but football is football and it's not always hunky dory.

But if they aren't sure about Wentz' knee , they shouldn't trade him until they are, right?

That may make the decision point a lot later in the offseason, and if so, that should mean that the offers won't be as favorable, thus decreasing our desire to trade him.

In any event, I can't see us pulling the trigger before training camp begins.
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But if they aren't sure about Wentz' knee , they shouldn't trade him until they are, right?

That may make the decision point a lot later in the offseason, and if so, that should mean that the offers won't be as favorable, thus decreasing our desire to trade him.

In any event, I can't see us pulling the trigger before training camp begins.

Doesn't it depend who's available and at what price? Can you imagine an aged QB who is capable of starting and winning 4-5 games looking at the Eagles as a team where he can chase a ring?


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And then there's this:
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Bill Polian said on ESPN’s NFL Live that, if he were the Eagles’ GM, he wouldn’t listen to any offers for Nick Foles unless they started with “two 1’s and two 2’s.”

2:01 PM - Feb 19, 2018
On the heels of someone else suggesting two 1's. I don't think a team will be willing to give up that much, but I also think it's possible that we're undervaluing his worth. We've had a front row seat to seeing that all personnel people don't always make the best decisions. The main reason any team will add a player is to help them win games and eventually the Super Bowl. Nick Foles not only just did that, he beat the guy that every GM has wet dreams over while he was having maybe his best game.

Sure, people will argue that he had a couple of real stinkers at the end of the season, and he did. But it could also be argued that he was coming off of a TC injury, was rusty and that it took a couple of games for the other players and coaches to adjust to him while he was finding his rhythm.

It's not always the product that people buy, it's very often how it is sold --- and Howie can sell!

As a footnote, Foles says Brady still hasn't called him and congratulated him.


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Well in that case I think that Howie should call Bill Polian and tell him that he has a deal!

And yes Mike I do agree that the Eagles will have to wait a while unless they have somebody blow them away with an offer. If that happens (and I think that's highly unlikely) then I'd consider rolling with Sudfeld until Carson is ready. I think Sudfeld is going to be a good one.
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QUOTE (One @ Feb 20 2018, 07:18 AM) *
And then there's this:[indent][/indent]On the heels of someone else suggesting two 1's. I don't think a team will be willing to give up that much, but I also think it's possible that we're undervaluing his worth. We've had a front row seat to seeing that all personnel people don't always make the best decisions. The main reason any team will add a player is to help them win games and eventually the Super Bowl. Nick Foles not only just did that, he beat the guy that every GM has wet dreams over while he was having maybe his best game.

Sure, people will argue that he had a couple of real stinkers at the end of the season, and he did. But it could also be argued that he was coming off of a TC injury, was rusty and that it took a couple of games for the other players and coaches to adjust to him while he was finding his rhythm.

It's not always the product that people buy, it's very often how it is sold --- and Howie can sell!

As a footnote, Foles says Brady still hasn't called him and congratulated him.


Polian is a goofball now. No one is going to offer 2 #1s...hell, they probably won't offer 1. A real offer will likely be a 2 and a later round. If a 1 is involved I imagine that the Eagles would need to include one of their picks.

At the end of the day Foles agent will have to push the Eagles to trade him if they don't do it themselves.


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Polian is a goofball now.

Now? The clown claims he had a first round grade on Brady back in 2000, but didn't draft him even once they got to the later rounds?

He's full of shit, as I've been saying for years. Anyone that could only muster 1 title with Peyton Manning in his prime has been out of it for a while.
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Several teams consider themselves contenders but need a QB. It'll be interesting to see what kind of offers he gets.


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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Feb 20 2018, 02:34 PM) *
He's full of shit, as I've been saying for years. Anyone that could only muster 1 title with Peyton Manning in his prime has been out of it for a while.


He's one of the best GM's ever. He's also a windbag, but blaming Manning's notorious choking on him is a bit much. When your team wins 12+ games 7 years in a row, you've done your job as an exec.



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When your team wins 12+ games 7 years in a row, you've done your job as an exec.

What happened in the year Manning was out? That roster was shit with a couple of solid offensive skill position guys propped up by Manning. And Dwight Freeney.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Feb 20 2018, 02:18 PM) *
What happened in the year Manning was out?


They predictably shit the bed, went 2-14, everyone who could be fired was, Manning went to Denver, and the Colts drafted Luck. Even in failure, Polian still helped two franchises. I guess Kerry Collins's magic had worn off by then.


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They predictably shit the bed, went 2-14, everyone who could be fired was, Manning went to Denver, and the Colts drafted Luck. Even in failure, Polian still helped two franchises. I guess Kerry Collins's magic had worn off by then.

Mock Collins all you want but the guy was a solid nfl QB and led a non-Polian team to a SB appearance. Hardly a bum. The guy played for 18 years for Christ’s sake.
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Mock Collins all you want but the guy was a solid nfl QB and led a non-Polian team to a SB appearance. Hardly a bum. The guy played for 18 years for Christ€™s sake.


It was a joke - he had an excellent career, including leading Polian's expansion Panthers to a conference championship appearance. Clearly he was done by 2011 and Polian likely brought him due to familiarity and lack of availability. Blaming Collins for that 2-14 season is as ridiculous as blaming Polian.


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Blaming Collins for that 2-14 season is as ridiculous as blaming Polian.

I guess I’m confused. Who is to blame for building a 2-14 roster?

Eh who gives a shit. The Eagles won the SB and Bill Polian thinks our backup QB is worth two first round picks.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Feb 20 2018, 07:45 PM) *
Eh who gives a shit. The Eagles won the SB and Bill Polian thinks our backup QB is worth two first round picks.


Throw the term " the Eagles won the SB" in any debate and the silliness of whatever being discussed just pales in comparison. Mortal enemies become best friends!

Example:

It was hilarious watching the Bradford hating bar fly get on RF's case while watching him futilely try to defend Bradford's merits. But, hey, the Eagles won the SB.

I think Geno Smith is a bum de la bum, but hey, the Eagles won the SB.

See?

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When Peyton went down, 14-2 became 2-14. I'd wager there are some former Colts players who couldn't name their backup QBs during Manning's time there.

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Isn't it great?! As you mentioned elsewhere, I'll probably never be anxious during an Eagles game ever again beyond basic excitement. And we're having yet another civil back and forth. What next, the Phillies winning 75 games?



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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 20 2018, 06:59 PM) *
Throw the term " the Eagles won the SB" in any debate and the silliness of whatever being discussed just pales in comparison. Mortal enemies become best friends!

Example:

It was hilarious watching the Bradford hating bar fly get on RF's case while watching him futilely try to defend Bradford's merits. But, hey, the Eagles won the SB.

I think Geno Smith is a bum de la bum, but hey, the Eagles won the SB.

See?

That phrase can end world wars.

Seriously. I’ve never felt more at peace with Eagles football. And I’ll never feel that same level of angst with every decision they make ever again.

Surely I’ll be bummed during the down times, but the next decade should be a whole lot of fun. And we won’t have that “when are they gonna do it” anxiety hanging over us.

The timing works well with me simply not having enough spare personal and emotional space to give, that comes along with having a young child.

Fun time to be a fan.
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When Peyton went down, 14-2 became 2-14. I'd wager there are some former Colts players who couldn't name their backup QBs during Manning's time there.

It takes a whole lot of incompetence to be 2-14. Manning literally masked Polian’s incompetencies for years.

Their OL was weak, their defense was pathetic. Reggie Wayne and Freeney were excellent, but other than that, he built a garbage team around Manning.

And then he claims he had a first round grade on Brady and didn’t draft him. Then proceeded to get kicked in the teeth by him regularly. Why admit that?

That dude sucks.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Feb 20 2018, 09:06 PM) *
Seriously. I’ve never felt more at peace with Eagles football. And I’ll never feel that same level of angst with every decision they make ever again.

Surely I’ll be bummed during the down times, but the next decade should be a whole lot of fun. And we won’t have that “when are they gonna do it” anxiety hanging over us.

The timing works well with me simply not having enough spare personal and emotional space to give, that comes along with having a young child.

Fun time to be a fan.


I'll be honest in that I've felt more relief than joy living up here in Massachusetts since 1960. It was Giant fans until Brady showed up. Hell, I was a Patriot fan up here before these idiots were when the old AFL was around. You couldn't find a Patriot hat around until Brady showed up. Now they're all on the bandwagon. No more jokes, 5 SB crap. I was glad NE made it to the SB so we could beat THEM! I knew that we had a better team and that we'd shove it where the sun don't shine to them. I just wish that we hadn't made it so close but the refs kept them in it IMO. Of course these idiots think that's why they lost lol. They get called for 2 5 yard penalties in 2 games but they got screwed. Unreal.
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That dude sucks.

He's in the HOF. He was voted exec of the year twice. He was GM of the Bills team that went to the SB three times. He was GM of the Panthers their first two years and took them to the NFCCG the second year. Those are pretty decent credentials.


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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Feb 20 2018, 09:06 PM) *
Seriously. I’ve never felt more at peace with Eagles football. And I’ll never feel that same level of angst with every decision they make ever again.

Surely I’ll be bummed during the down times, but the next decade should be a whole lot of fun. And we won’t have that “when are they gonna do it” anxiety hanging over us.

The timing works well with me simply not having enough spare personal and emotional space to give, that comes along with having a young child.

Fun time to be a fan.

One child and out of emotional space? When you get to three, that trip to the bar on Sundays is your refuge! And then the boys get into the team in a big way and start wanting to go to the bar with you at age six and feel hurt and don't understand why at age six they can't go to the bar for those Monday night games! And then fourteen years later, you watch the greatest game ever with the sons and those other relatives you used to watch those games in the past. You'll get that emotional space back.
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He's in the HOF. He was voted exec of the year twice. He was GM of the Bills team that went to the SB three times. He was GM of the Panthers their first two years and took them to the NFCCG the second year. Those are pretty decent credentials.

Yeah he was good once. It was a long, long time ago though. He was garbage in Indy. That’s been my point.

And now he thinks Nick Foles is worth 2 firsts. C’mon.
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He said it needed to start with two ones and two twos.

Team X has traded with the Eagles for QB Nick Foles. Team X gave up the 112th, 117th, 221st and 229th picks of this year's draft. (Needed to start with two ones and two twos!) rolleyes.gif
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And now he thinks Nick Foles is worth 2 firsts. C’mon.


We all agree that's a stupid comment - maybe he's trolling, maybe he's trying to be profound, maybe he's just senile. But c'mon dude, his credentials speak for themselves. He's a hall of famer.

Now let's get back to not giving a shit because we won the Super Bowl!

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He said it needed to start with two ones and two twos.

Team X has traded with the Eagles for QB Nick Foles. Team X gave up the 112th, 117th, 221st and 229th picks of this year's draft. (Needed to start with two ones and two twos!) rolleyes.gif


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Let's give Foles this - his trade value now is better than a few years ago.


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Let's give Foles this - his trade value now is better than a few years ago.

And it's not a stretch to think that his value is greater than that of Bradford when Howie traded him to the Vikings.


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post Feb 21 2018, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Feb 20 2018, 10:42 PM) *
maybe he's just senile.

I would argue it's this (and has been since his time with the Colts).

Did you see his comments on Lamar Jackson yesterday?

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The more you see him with the ball in his hands, the more you're gonna say 'I gotta find more ways to get this guy the ball in his hands!' That translates to another position.


Unless he wants to move Lamar Jackson to center, I don't think he'll touch the ball more than at QB.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Feb 21 2018, 10:37 AM) *
I would argue it's this (and has been since his time with the Colts).

Did you see his comments on Lamar Jackson yesterday?



Unless he wants to move Lamar Jackson to center, I don't think he'll touch the ball more than at QB.


I heard he called Jackson 'short.' He's 6'3"


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I heard he called Jackson 'short.' He's 6'3"

You’re building a strong case for me.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Feb 21 2018, 03:58 PM) *
You’re building a strong case for me.


That he's senile? Yes we can agree on that.


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