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nephillymike
post Feb 17 2018, 07:18 PM
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Basically it involves a contract restructuring.

You take a guy with a high salary that you trust with more guaranteed money, add a year to his deal, convert his current year salary to signing bonus and add a year to the end of his contract.

I know Curry has played decently to very good, but he has played a ton of snaps on a very competitive DL, so he must be doing something right. If we added a year to his deal, it would be when he is 33.

He has a 9M salary this year, with 11M cap hit. By converting 8 m of this to SB plus add another 2 m SB and add a 2021 year with a 10m salary, with the lower cap hit this year due to converting salary to SB, his cap hit this year is reduced by 5.5M. If you have to cut him in the last year, you only have 2.75M of dead money against a 10M salary, so a nice 7.25M of savings if we part ways. So, if we do this with Curry, we free up 5.5M this year.

I know B. Brooks had some anxiety issues in the past, but he has played at a Pro Bowl level. He has an 8.75M salary this year. Leave 1M at salary, convert the other 7.75M as SB with a million kicker, add a year in 2021,when he is 32. Doing this lowers his 2018 cap by 5.7M from 11.1M to 5.4M. If we part ways in his final year, we save 6M of cap, an 8M salary less 2M of dead money.

Out of the two, I think I would think Brooks is the better investment. A year younger, S better player, and less depth on the OL behind him.

Now what about Graham?

He is in the last year of his deal, is a very good player, borderline Pro Bowl caliber. Furthermore, even though he is one of our best DL, he has watched Cox, Curry and Jernigan get paid. And, oh yeah, there's that SB play.

I would do a deal similar to what Bennett got. Bennett was a true FA, but he was a year older.

Graham is scheduled to make 7M this year, add in the proration of the previous SB, and his cap hit is 8M this year. I covert 6M of his salary to SB, and add another 10M SB and extend his deal another two years through 2020 when he'll be 32. His cap hit for this year goes down by 1.3M, and if we have to cut him in 2020, we save 11M of salary, but have 5.3 of dead money, for a net cap savings of 5.7M in the last year if we split ways.

Basically, where there's a will, there is a way. Pick either Brooks or Curry or both to restructure, and resign Graham and we have 7M- 12.5M more cap room this year. More importantly, we keep three very good players which increases our odds of going back to the dance.


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post Feb 17 2018, 07:44 PM
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See, there is really no such thing as cap issues. Mikey, you're hired for the position of Super-Assistant to the Guru, Salary Cap Department (Cap Massage Division)

This is an unpaid position, btw.


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post Feb 17 2018, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (samaroo @ Feb 17 2018, 07:44 PM) *
See, there is really no such thing as cap issues. Mikey, you're hired for the position of Super-Assistant to the Guru, Salary Cap Department (Cap Massage Division)

This is an unpaid position, btw.

This could work, as my former employer, The Axis Corporation, went out of business due to a drop in sales so significant as it was not seen for 57 years. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 17 2018, 07:18 PM) *
Basically it involves a contract restructuring.

You take a guy with a high salary that you trust with more guaranteed money, add a year to his deal, convert his current year salary to signing bonus and add a year to the end of his contract.

I know Curry has played decently to very good, but he has played a ton of snaps on a very competitive DL, so he must be doing something right. If we added a year to his deal, it would be when he is 33.

He has a 9M salary this year, with 11M cap hit. By converting 8 m of this to SB plus add another 2 m SB and add a 2021 year with a 10m salary, with the lower cap hit this year due to converting salary to SB, his cap hit this year is reduced by 5.5M. If you have to cut him in the last year, you only have 2.75M of dead money against a 10M salary, so a nice 7.25M of savings if we part ways. So, if we do this with Curry, we free up 5.5M this year.

I know B. Brooks had some anxiety issues in the past, but he has played at a Pro Bowl level. He has an 8.75M salary this year. Leave 1M at salary, convert the other 7.75M as SB with a million kicker, add a year in 2021,when he is 32. Doing this lowers his 2018 cap by 5.7M from 11.1M to 5.4M. If we part ways in his final year, we save 6M of cap, an 8M salary less 2M of dead money.

Out of the two, I think I would think Brooks is the better investment. A year younger, S better player, and less depth on the OL behind him.

Now what about Graham?

He is in the last year of his deal, is a very good player, borderline Pro Bowl caliber. Furthermore, even though he is one of our best DL, he has watched Cox, Curry and Jernigan get paid. And, oh yeah, there's that SB play.

I would do a deal similar to what Bennett got. Bennett was a true FA, but he was a year older.

Graham is scheduled to make 7M this year, add in the proration of the previous SB, and his cap hit is 8M this year. I covert 6M of his salary to SB, and add another 10M SB and extend his deal another two years through 2020 when he'll be 32. His cap hit for this year goes down by 1.3M, and if we have to cut him in 2020, we save 11M of salary, but have 5.3 of dead money, for a net cap savings of 5.7M in the last year if we split ways.

Basically, where there's a will, there is a way. Pick either Brooks or Curry or both to restructure, and resign Graham and we have 7M- 12.5M more cap room this year. More importantly, we keep three very good players which increases our odds of going back to the dance.
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post Feb 17 2018, 08:18 PM
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I agree that Brooks would be better for an extension. I would not extend Curry. He's already overpaid. He was part of that FA class after Chip got the boot. J Lurie overpaid everyone that year to avoid talent loss that happened after B Ryan was fired years ago. Actually the $ to L Johnson and Z Ertz given that year worked out well this year for the Eagles.

I really don't know what to do with Graham. Obviously I'd love to see him stay in Philly and want him to be compensated fairly. However, his big play in the SB needs an asterisk. F Cox was occupying two O Linemen allowing Graham to get home. If Graham had been doubled, Cox quite possibly would have been the hero. Cox makes everyone else up front look good because teams HAVE to account for him.

Howie might actually have a strangely quiet off season because some of the guys who he'd be busy extending are strange.

Hicks is injury prone.
Jay A has the bad knees and can be a head case.
Is N Agholor just a slot WR or will he also be effective on the outside?
Kickers can be mental so do you really want to extend Elliott now?

It might be better to finish all of those deals during the Bye week next year but that seems to be a large amount of work for one week.

Graham might be asking for so much $ that they'll have to wait till the Bye week or end of next season.

R Darby might be the easiest guy to extend but he also was injured this year and wasn't playing lights-out.

QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 17 2018, 07:18 PM) *
Basically it involves a contract restructuring.

You take a guy with a high salary that you trust with more guaranteed money, add a year to his deal, convert his current year salary to signing bonus and add a year to the end of his contract.

I know Curry has played decently to very good, but he has played a ton of snaps on a very competitive DL, so he must be doing something right. If we added a year to his deal, it would be when he is 33.

He has a 9M salary this year, with 11M cap hit. By converting 8 m of this to SB plus add another 2 m SB and add a 2021 year with a 10m salary, with the lower cap hit this year due to converting salary to SB, his cap hit this year is reduced by 5.5M. If you have to cut him in the last year, you only have 2.75M of dead money against a 10M salary, so a nice 7.25M of savings if we part ways. So, if we do this with Curry, we free up 5.5M this year.

I know B. Brooks had some anxiety issues in the past, but he has played at a Pro Bowl level. He has an 8.75M salary this year. Leave 1M at salary, convert the other 7.75M as SB with a million kicker, add a year in 2021,when he is 32. Doing this lowers his 2018 cap by 5.7M from 11.1M to 5.4M. If we part ways in his final year, we save 6M of cap, an 8M salary less 2M of dead money.

Out of the two, I think I would think Brooks is the better investment. A year younger, S better player, and less depth on the OL behind him.

Now what about Graham?

He is in the last year of his deal, is a very good player, borderline Pro Bowl caliber. Furthermore, even though he is one of our best DL, he has watched Cox, Curry and Jernigan get paid. And, oh yeah, there's that SB play.

I would do a deal similar to what Bennett got. Bennett was a true FA, but he was a year older.

Graham is scheduled to make 7M this year, add in the proration of the previous SB, and his cap hit is 8M this year. I covert 6M of his salary to SB, and add another 10M SB and extend his deal another two years through 2020 when he'll be 32. His cap hit for this year goes down by 1.3M, and if we have to cut him in 2020, we save 11M of salary, but have 5.3 of dead money, for a net cap savings of 5.7M in the last year if we split ways.

Basically, where there's a will, there is a way. Pick either Brooks or Curry or both to restructure, and resign Graham and we have 7M- 12.5M more cap room this year. More importantly, we keep three very good players which increases our odds of going back to the dance.

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post Feb 17 2018, 08:47 PM
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Eagles just made the 2018 cap $.25 mil worse. They gave Wis a bonus based on snap count that he narrowly missed in his 2017 contract.

Good move.

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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 17 2018, 07:18 PM) *
Basically it involves a contract restructuring.

You take a guy with a high salary that you trust with more guaranteed money, add a year to his deal, convert his current year salary to signing bonus and add a year to the end of his contract.
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post Feb 19 2018, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 17 2018, 07:18 PM) *
Basically it involves a contract restructuring.

You take a guy with a high salary that you trust with more guaranteed money, add a year to his deal, convert his current year salary to signing bonus and add a year to the end of his contract.

I know Curry has played decently to very good, but he has played a ton of snaps on a very competitive DL, so he must be doing something right. If we added a year to his deal, it would be when he is 33.

He has a 9M salary this year, with 11M cap hit. By converting 8 m of this to SB plus add another 2 m SB and add a 2021 year with a 10m salary, with the lower cap hit this year due to converting salary to SB, his cap hit this year is reduced by 5.5M. If you have to cut him in the last year, you only have 2.75M of dead money against a 10M salary, so a nice 7.25M of savings if we part ways. So, if we do this with Curry, we free up 5.5M this year.

I know B. Brooks had some anxiety issues in the past, but he has played at a Pro Bowl level. He has an 8.75M salary this year. Leave 1M at salary, convert the other 7.75M as SB with a million kicker, add a year in 2021,when he is 32. Doing this lowers his 2018 cap by 5.7M from 11.1M to 5.4M. If we part ways in his final year, we save 6M of cap, an 8M salary less 2M of dead money.

Out of the two, I think I would think Brooks is the better investment. A year younger, S better player, and less depth on the OL behind him.

Now what about Graham?

He is in the last year of his deal, is a very good player, borderline Pro Bowl caliber. Furthermore, even though he is one of our best DL, he has watched Cox, Curry and Jernigan get paid. And, oh yeah, there's that SB play.

I would do a deal similar to what Bennett got. Bennett was a true FA, but he was a year older.

Graham is scheduled to make 7M this year, add in the proration of the previous SB, and his cap hit is 8M this year. I covert 6M of his salary to SB, and add another 10M SB and extend his deal another two years through 2020 when he'll be 32. His cap hit for this year goes down by 1.3M, and if we have to cut him in 2020, we save 11M of salary, but have 5.3 of dead money, for a net cap savings of 5.7M in the last year if we split ways.

Basically, where there's a will, there is a way. Pick either Brooks or Curry or both to restructure, and resign Graham and we have 7M- 12.5M more cap room this year. More importantly, we keep three very good players which increases our odds of going back to the dance.



I have always maintained that there isn't a salary cap but I never had it spelled out to me so well as this. Thanks! I also think that this defense goes downhill fast without Bradham.
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post Feb 19 2018, 12:03 PM
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That's because in recent years the Eagles have been signing so many players. That gives the GM opportunities to be creative in structuring cap hits. The Eagles probably won't change much this offseason and there are few FAs who are projected to be resigned.

It seems the Eagles were trying to win in 2017, possibly also 2018, but kicking the can down the road eventually will cost you.

QUOTE (eagle60 @ Feb 19 2018, 10:48 AM) *
I have always maintained that there isn't a salary cap but I never had it spelled out to me so well as this. Thanks! I also think that this defense goes downhill fast without Bradham.

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I think 2 of the most obvious moves will be cutting Torrey Smith and Trading Foles. For those that feel Foles needs to be kept on in case Wentz is not ready you need to realize that Foles has leverage. This is his chance to get big QB money and likely his last chance. If he is traded he can demand a new contract and that means 20-30 million guaranteed so don't expect him to "aw, geez, shucks" his way past that. His agents won't and shouldn't allow it. He is already making comments that roughly allude to that path. Those 2 moves free up a good chunk of space without hurting the team very much.


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Anyone who thinks Howie isn't going to find a way to improve the cap situation so he can try to add a player or two hasn't been paying attention the past two years.


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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Feb 19 2018, 12:03 PM) *
That's because in recent years the Eagles have been signing so many players. That gives the GM opportunities to be creative in structuring cap hits. The Eagles probably won't change much this offseason and there are few FAs who are projected to be resigned.

It seems the Eagles were trying to win in 2017, possibly also 2018, but kicking the can down the road eventually will cost you.


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post Feb 19 2018, 03:58 PM
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Nice to hear from you, RF. I hope you are okay.

I agree with you but that only gets you under the cap by a couple mil. That does not get you Bradham signed or extensions for young guys--Darby, Agholor, etc unless Howie is willing to really kick the can down the road regarding cap hits.

Every sports writer I've come across thinks Burton is going to get a big payday elsewhere. Cutting Celek would save almost 4mil$. They are not going into the season with two rookie TEs. They'll need to sign one veteran.

Extending Graham can be a way to help the 2018 cap but I don't know they will come to agreement. I really like him but his numbers are likely inflated due to the presence of Cox.


QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Feb 19 2018, 01:24 PM) *
I think 2 of the most obvious moves will be cutting Torrey Smith and Trading Foles. For those that feel Foles needs to be kept on in case Wentz is not ready you need to realize that Foles has leverage. This is his chance to get big QB money and likely his last chance. If he is traded he can demand a new contract and that means 20-30 million guaranteed so don't expect him to "aw, geez, shucks" his way past that. His agents won't and shouldn't allow it. He is already making comments that roughly allude to that path. Those 2 moves free up a good chunk of space without hurting the team very much.

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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Feb 19 2018, 03:58 PM) *
Nice to hear from you, RF. I hope you are okay.

I agree with you but that only gets you under the cap by a couple mil. That does not get you Bradham signed or extensions for young guys--Darby, Agholor, etc unless Howie is willing to really kick the can down the road regarding cap hits.

Every sports writer I've come across thinks Burton is going to get a big payday elsewhere. Cutting Celek would save almost 4mil$. They are not going into the season with two rookie TEs. They'll need to sign one veteran.

Extending Graham can be a way to help the 2018 cap but I don't know they will come to agreement. I really like him but his numbers are likely inflated due to the presence of Cox.


Those will just be the first easy moves...then extensions will add more...they still won't have a lot of wiggle room once they sign Bradham and extend Graham.


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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Feb 19 2018, 04:49 PM) *
Those will just be the first easy moves...then extensions will add more...they still won't have a lot of wiggle room once they sign Bradham and extend Graham.



They'll extend as many guys that they can of course. There won't be any FAs coming in, that's for sure. I think Howie can extend some of the younger guys once the season starts in September (?) like Aggie and Darby. I'm sure Howie has a five year plan for this stuff. I know that team chemistry is of the utmost importance but we still need to infuse some new blood. I think that Nick will have to move on and Sudfeld will be the backup. That was the plan until Wentz got hurt anyway. Of course that pesky Super Bowl muddied the water a little bit. cool.gif
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