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- Birdwatcher   Ya got to admit, Wentz went down in heroic fashion   Dec 12 2017, 11:03 PM
- - Pila   QUOTE (Birdwatcher @ Dec 13 2017, 05:03 A...   Dec 13 2017, 09:56 AM
|- - Pbfan   let another team have a heroic QB, I want a smart ...   Dec 13 2017, 10:24 AM
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|||- - Pila   QUOTE (Rick @ Dec 13 2017, 10:05 PM) Oh s...   Dec 13 2017, 08:27 PM
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> Ya got to admit, Wentz went down in heroic fashion, it will be another part of the tragic/triumphant lore of this team
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let another team have a heroic QB, I want a smart one. He could have slid at the 1. Was it a big play? Sure, but not even close to worth the risk. Maybe he'll learn from it.

Scrambling QB's are a ticking timebomb.
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post Dec 13 2017, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE (Pbfan @ Dec 13 2017, 04:24 PM) *
let another team have a heroic QB, I want a smart one. He could have slid at the 1. Was it a big play? Sure, but not even close to worth the risk. Maybe he'll learn from it.

Scrambling QB's are a ticking timebomb.

The injury likely occurred on his last step as he burst for the dive - doubt it had anything to do with the contact.


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QUOTE (Pbfan @ Dec 13 2017, 10:24 AM) *
let another team have a heroic QB, I want a smart one. He could have slid at the 1. Was it a big play? Sure, but not even close to worth the risk. Maybe he'll learn from it.

Scrambling QB's are a ticking timebomb.

In a game where the play usually ends by some form of contact, every player is a ticking time bomb. I don't think it has to do with him being a "scrambling QB". Understanding how/why the injury occurred would go a long way to prevention.

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a torn ACL is often not a result of contact. A recent study conducted by Dr. Bert Mandelbaum (an orthopedic surgeon and ACL researcher), found 68 ACL injuries that were classified as non-contact ACL injuries. Sometimes, it just happens.


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QUOTE (Pbfan @ Dec 13 2017, 10:24 AM) *
let another team have a heroic QB, I want a smart one. He could have slid at the 1. Was it a big play? Sure, but not even close to worth the risk. Maybe he'll learn from it.

Scrambling QB's are a ticking timebomb.


You question Wentz's intelligence? His only issue was his age and the feeling we all had that we were invincible in our youth. It is a harsh lesson he just learned, but he is a very intelligent kid and I am sure he will learn from this and become a better and WISER QB going forward. Don't confuse his intelligence with the wisdom that experience can only bring. As I said before, if this was going to happen, better early in his career than later, both from a healing and learning perspective. I am still confident that he will return and have a career that will be filled with amazing moments and ultimately, success.
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Very well spoken.

I say the Seahawks caused the ACL injury. They stripped the ball from Wentz two weeks ago as he was headed to the end zone. Against the Rams he had time to stretch the ball out and just let it cross the goal. Instead he powered into the end zone with the ball well secured.

Part of Carson's success has been his competitiveness and toughness. It is hard to tell a 235lb QB to not take on a DB at the goal line.

I fear Pbfan is correct that he will be a ticking time bomb like most other running QBs.

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You question Wentz's intelligence? His only issue was his age and the feeling we all had that we were invincible in our youth. It is a harsh lesson he just learned, but he is a very intelligent kid and I am sure he will learn from this and become a better and WISER QB going forward. Don't confuse his intelligence with the wisdom that experience can only bring. As I said before, if this was going to happen, better early in his career than later, both from a healing and learning perspective. I am still confident that he will return and have a career that will be filled with amazing moments and ultimately, success.


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let another team have a heroic QB, I want a smart one. He could have slid at the 1. Was it a big play? Sure, but not even close to worth the risk. Maybe he'll learn from it.

Scrambling QB's are a ticking timebomb.

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post Dec 13 2017, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE (Pbfan @ Dec 13 2017, 03:24 PM) *
let another team have a heroic QB, I want a smart one. He could have slid at the 1. Was it a big play? Sure, but not even close to worth the risk. Maybe he'll learn from it.

Scrambling QB's are a ticking timebomb.


Agreed.

It really is as simple as each time you are hit there is a chance you get hurt. How big or small that chance is does not matter, the chance is there. Sooner or later you will get hurt if you roll the dice enough times. I hope Wentz decides that in the future it is better for the team for him to slide instead of taking unnecessary hits. I want Wentz here for the next 15 years, not 10. The less hits he takes the better.
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QUOTE (Pila @ Dec 13 2017, 11:41 AM) *
The injury likely occurred on his last step as he burst for the dive - doubt it had anything to do with the contact.

Oh stop already! He's not a pocket passer. If he was, he wouldn't be the guy we've already grown to love.

It's a contact sport and sometimes these things happen.
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QUOTE (Rick @ Dec 13 2017, 04:05 PM) *
It's a contact sport and sometimes these things happen.

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QUOTE (Rick @ Dec 13 2017, 10:05 PM) *
Oh stop already! He's not a pocket passer. If he was, he wouldn't be the guy we've already grown to love.

It's a contact sport and sometimes these things happen.

I think my point at this particular spot in the conversation may have been lost a little. I wasn't lamenting the nature of his ways. I was defending it.


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QUOTE (Pila @ Dec 13 2017, 09:27 PM) *
I think my point at this particular spot in the conversation may have been lost a little. I wasn't lamenting the nature of his ways. I was defending it.

Sorry, I mis-quoted you on this one. Meant to quote pbfan.
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