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- nephillymike   Have a seat Ajayi   Dec 10 2017, 06:35 PM
- - Rick   QUOTE (nephillymike @ Dec 10 2017, 07:35 ...   Dec 11 2017, 06:38 AM
|- - Joegrane   Maybe they don't like Ajayi's attitude and...   Dec 11 2017, 11:14 AM
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|- - The Franchise   QUOTE (Rick @ Dec 11 2017, 06:38 AM) This...   Dec 11 2017, 02:32 PM
- - CT_Eagle   There was no reason for the Eagles to be so pass h...   Dec 11 2017, 11:22 AM
- - Pila   Wentz unparalleled success on 3rd-and-forever is u...   Dec 11 2017, 12:42 PM
|- - Joegrane   I hear you but teams will bring a S into the box t...   Dec 11 2017, 01:12 PM
|- - eagleaddict   QUOTE (Joegrane @ Dec 11 2017, 01:12 PM) ...   Dec 11 2017, 08:31 PM
- - Phits   Foles is a QB. He throws the ball. The success o...   Dec 11 2017, 05:23 PM
- - Reality Fan   Only on an Eagles fan site could find fans saying ...   Dec 11 2017, 06:07 PM
- - Joegrane   Anyone have the stats for the first half of games....   Dec 11 2017, 06:42 PM
- - The Franchise   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Dec 11 2017, 07:07 P...   Dec 11 2017, 07:02 PM
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|- - The Franchise   QUOTE And Wentz was 4th but not by a margin of 3-4...   Dec 12 2017, 03:50 PM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (The Franchise @ Dec 12 2017, 03:50...   Dec 12 2017, 04:30 PM
- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Dec 12 2017, 12:07 A...   Dec 11 2017, 09:27 PM
- - Pila   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Dec 12 2017, 02:27 AM) ...   Dec 12 2017, 12:55 PM
- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (Pila @ Dec 12 2017, 12:55 PM) I...   Dec 12 2017, 01:00 PM
- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (Pila @ Dec 12 2017, 06:55 PM) I...   Dec 12 2017, 01:43 PM
|- - Pila   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Dec 12 2017, 06:43 PM) ...   Dec 12 2017, 04:36 PM
|- - The Franchise   QUOTE (Pila @ Dec 12 2017, 04:36 PM) I th...   Dec 12 2017, 05:14 PM
|- - Phits   Perhaps that's why DP opted to pass when he wa...   Dec 12 2017, 06:00 PM
||- - The Franchise   QUOTE (Phits @ Dec 12 2017, 06:00 PM) Mos...   Dec 12 2017, 06:58 PM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (The Franchise @ Dec 12 2017, 05:14...   Dec 12 2017, 06:22 PM
- - nephillymike   QUOTE (Pila @ Dec 12 2017, 12:55 PM) I...   Dec 12 2017, 09:38 PM
- - Joegrane   Coaches today have the ability to talk to the QB u...   Dec 12 2017, 11:13 PM
- - nephillymike   QUOTE (Joegrane @ Dec 12 2017, 11:13 PM) ...   Dec 12 2017, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE (Pila @ Dec 12 2017, 04:36 PM) *
I think what I was trying to point out is that we are much better at keeping a scoresheet of the success rates when the play call isn't what we wanted and had a negative result than the success rates of when it succeeds despite our intuition.

Besides - the run/pass statistic is really incredibly limited in the scope of play calling. I think even us fans have come to appreciate that the entire dynamic of tactics and scheming isn't really just between handing a ball off or tossing it.

I find the persistence in the whole argument over pass/run ratios outdated (and tired) considering how many pass plays are throws behind the line, or quick, short routes, and how many runs are misdirectional and/or option play relying on immediate reads of specific defenders. I'm just not sure that old argument still applies as much as it used to in terms of it being purely looked at between a run/pass dichotomy.


It's impossible to have an intellectually honest conversation about this because, as we've seen on this thread, there are still a large number of Eagles fans who believe Reid infallible, and will freak out in automatic defense of him when anyone even suggests otherwise.

A 'balanced attack' to me is about not being predictable, and about sound situational play calling. These are things that Reid continues to fail miserably at to this day, along with clock management as well. Pederson has done a good job overall, and unlike Andy, seems to adjust when something doesn't work. Simply throwing out ideal pass/run ratios isn't relevant, as you say. And again, I don't even have a problem with our game plan this year apart from some individual mistakes - all I said was an obvious truth, that sometimes Pederson abandons the run when he shouldn't - and I was immediately declared a heretic. Unbelievable.


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Perhaps that's why DP opted to pass when he was forced to insert his backup QB. Most would expect a heavy dose of running plays.


QUOTE (The Franchise @ Dec 12 2017, 05:14 PM) *
It's impossible to have an intellectually honest conversation about this because, as we've seen on this thread, there are still a large number of Eagles fans who believe Reid infallible, and will freak out in automatic defense of him when anyone even suggests otherwise.

A 'balanced attack' to me is about not being predictable, and about sound situational play calling. These are things that Reid continues to fail miserably at to this day, along with clock management as well. Pederson has done a good job overall, and unlike Andy, seems to adjust when something doesn't work. Simply throwing out ideal pass/run ratios isn't relevant, as you say. And again, I don't even have a problem with our game plan this year apart from some individual mistakes - all I said was an obvious truth, that sometimes Pederson abandons the run when he shouldn't - and I was immediately declared a heretic. Unbelievable.



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post Dec 12 2017, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Dec 12 2017, 05:14 PM) *
It's impossible to have an intellectually honest conversation about this because, as we've seen on this thread, there are still a large number of Eagles fans who believe Reid infallible, and will freak out in automatic defense of him when anyone even suggests otherwise.

A 'balanced attack' to me is about not being predictable, and about sound situational play calling. These are things that Reid continues to fail miserably at to this day, along with clock management as well. Pederson has done a good job overall, and unlike Andy, seems to adjust when something doesn't work. Simply throwing out ideal pass/run ratios isn't relevant, as you say. And again, I don't even have a problem with our game plan this year apart from some individual mistakes - all I said was an obvious truth, that sometimes Pederson abandons the run when he shouldn't - and I was immediately declared a heretic. Unbelievable.


While I did like Reid while he was here I don't think him infallible at all. He was a good prepper and a good CEO. He undervalued WR way too much for me and did not replace coaches well. He also was seduced by the long ball later in his career.

I actually was not referring to your post, it was Rick's that sparked my research. You just jumped in for the ride.

I merely look at all the teams, their rankings, their run pass ratio and how that is reflected situationally. I think some see DP as a clone of Reid and that is understandable but he is really not. He might be more like an early Reid in some regards but it stops there.



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QUOTE (Phits @ Dec 12 2017, 06:00 PM) *
Most would expect a heavy dose of running plays.


Well we can all agree that's for damn sure.


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