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- nephillymike   Have a seat Ajayi   Dec 10 2017, 06:35 PM
- - Rick   QUOTE (nephillymike @ Dec 10 2017, 07:35 ...   Dec 11 2017, 06:38 AM
|- - Joegrane   Maybe they don't like Ajayi's attitude and...   Dec 11 2017, 11:14 AM
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|- - The Franchise   QUOTE (Rick @ Dec 11 2017, 06:38 AM) This...   Dec 11 2017, 02:32 PM
- - CT_Eagle   There was no reason for the Eagles to be so pass h...   Dec 11 2017, 11:22 AM
- - Pila   Wentz unparalleled success on 3rd-and-forever is u...   Dec 11 2017, 12:42 PM
|- - Joegrane   I hear you but teams will bring a S into the box t...   Dec 11 2017, 01:12 PM
|- - eagleaddict   QUOTE (Joegrane @ Dec 11 2017, 01:12 PM) ...   Dec 11 2017, 08:31 PM
- - Phits   Foles is a QB. He throws the ball. The success o...   Dec 11 2017, 05:23 PM
- - Reality Fan   Only on an Eagles fan site could find fans saying ...   Dec 11 2017, 06:07 PM
- - Joegrane   Anyone have the stats for the first half of games....   Dec 11 2017, 06:42 PM
- - The Franchise   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Dec 11 2017, 07:07 P...   Dec 11 2017, 07:02 PM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (The Franchise @ Dec 11 2017, 07:02...   Dec 12 2017, 10:00 AM
|- - The Franchise   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Dec 12 2017, 11:00 A...   Dec 12 2017, 01:40 PM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (The Franchise @ Dec 12 2017, 01:40...   Dec 12 2017, 03:04 PM
|- - The Franchise   QUOTE And Wentz was 4th but not by a margin of 3-4...   Dec 12 2017, 03:50 PM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (The Franchise @ Dec 12 2017, 03:50...   Dec 12 2017, 04:30 PM
- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Dec 12 2017, 12:07 A...   Dec 11 2017, 09:27 PM
- - Pila   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Dec 12 2017, 02:27 AM) ...   Dec 12 2017, 12:55 PM
- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (Pila @ Dec 12 2017, 12:55 PM) I...   Dec 12 2017, 01:00 PM
- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (Pila @ Dec 12 2017, 06:55 PM) I...   Dec 12 2017, 01:43 PM
|- - Pila   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Dec 12 2017, 06:43 PM) ...   Dec 12 2017, 04:36 PM
|- - The Franchise   QUOTE (Pila @ Dec 12 2017, 04:36 PM) I th...   Dec 12 2017, 05:14 PM
|- - Phits   Perhaps that's why DP opted to pass when he wa...   Dec 12 2017, 06:00 PM
||- - The Franchise   QUOTE (Phits @ Dec 12 2017, 06:00 PM) Mos...   Dec 12 2017, 06:58 PM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (The Franchise @ Dec 12 2017, 05:14...   Dec 12 2017, 06:22 PM
- - nephillymike   QUOTE (Pila @ Dec 12 2017, 12:55 PM) I...   Dec 12 2017, 09:38 PM
- - Joegrane   Coaches today have the ability to talk to the QB u...   Dec 12 2017, 11:13 PM
- - nephillymike   QUOTE (Joegrane @ Dec 12 2017, 11:13 PM) ...   Dec 12 2017, 11:57 PM
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post Dec 12 2017, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Dec 11 2017, 07:02 PM) *
Only a hopeless Reid-apologist could continue to argue after almost two decades what almost every other fan seems to understand has some basic merit to it - that Reid passed way too goddam much, and his protege' has the same tendencies, though not as bad.

We saw it again yesterday, in the game overall, and most notably immediately after being forced to give the ball to his backup, down by 1 point in a huge road game. It's real, we aren't all just making this stuff up.

*Also, this year because of our success we happen to be running more overall plays than everyone else in the league, and Wentz scrambles more than almost any other QB (as in, called pass plays). So simple volume is cherry-picking stats - but yeah.....



lol...I love it....the facts say your are wrong but what are facts......the only team that runs the ball more is the Jags but pointing out that FAct is silly to the Reid hater. How anyone not an idiot could argue in the face of that is stunning. But lets look further into it.....the Eagles are ranked 26th...yes 26th in pass play percentage.....mind you earlier in the year they had 2 games where they barely ran the ball so that skewed the numbers even more for all you "they have big leads and run the ball more" folks. Now onto the other stupidity....they pass more in the first half.......they are situationally ranked 24th for rass/run in the first half of games.

How is that for cherry picking stats? The difference is one of us actually looks at facts and numbers and the other relies on bullshit.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct
https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/situatio...tios--off-.html

And Wentz is actually 4th among QBs in rushing attempts and only averages 2 more a game than Kirk Cousins who does not run at all so you can pocket that silliness as well. Hell, Alex Smith only has 11 more attempts than Wentz.

I know, facts suck.

I can understand not agreeing with his use of his RB personnel although, at 11-2 it seems silly, but saying he does not run the ball enough?
That is just plain stupid.

So, yeah....only in Philly.


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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Dec 12 2017, 11:00 AM) *
lol...I love it....the facts say your are wrong but what are facts......the only team that runs the ball more is the Jags but pointing out that FAct is silly to the Reid hater. How anyone not an idiot could argue in the face of that is stunning. But lets look further into it.....the Eagles are ranked 26th...yes 26th in pass play percentage.....mind you earlier in the year they had 2 games where they barely ran the ball so that skewed the numbers even more for all you "they have big leads and run the ball more" folks. Now onto the other stupidity....they pass more in the first half.......they are situationally ranked 24th for rass/run in the first half of games.

How is that for cherry picking stats? The difference is one of us actually looks at facts and numbers and the other relies on bullshit.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct
https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/situatio...tios--off-.html

And Wentz is actually 4th among QBs in rushing attempts and only averages 2 more a game than Kirk Cousins who does not run at all so you can pocket that silliness as well. Hell, Alex Smith only has 11 more attempts than Wentz.

I know, facts suck.

I can understand not agreeing with his use of his RB personnel although, at 11-2 it seems silly, but saying he does not run the ball enough?
That is just plain stupid.

So, yeah....only in Philly.


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Trying to correct the Reid apologist with facts can often result in childish, incoherent rants. Exhibit A.

-I mention that Wentz scrambles more than almost any other QB - you point out that he's 4th in scrambles, and act like you're making a point about something.

-I mention that this skews what can be considered called pass plays vs. run plays - and you provide a link that shows teams having two numbers that equal 100% - and it's done in descending order too, really cool!

-I mention that since we've had offensive success, we've run more offensive plays than any other team in the league, many by a significant amount. Therefore, simply using volume is intellectually dishonest and cherry-picking stats, as you tried to do earlier. You posted another link about percentages that had nothing to do with anything.

Overall his play calling has been fine. Sometimes he seems to get going and fires a bunch of passes off. Passing 5 times in a row after Foles went in wasn't wise, as pretty much everyone here seems to agree. Just go lie down, take a deep breath, and come back when you're ready to move on.


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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Dec 12 2017, 01:40 PM) *
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Trying to correct the Reid apologist with facts can often result in childish, incoherent rants. Exhibit A.

-I mention that Wentz scrambles more than almost any other QB - you point out that he's 4th in scrambles, and act like you're making a point about something.

-I mention that this skews what can be considered called pass plays vs. run plays - and you provide a link that shows teams having two numbers that equal 100% - and it's done in descending order too, really cool!

-I mention that since we've had offensive success, we've run more offensive plays than any other team in the league, many by a significant amount. Therefore, simply using volume is intellectually dishonest and cherry-picking stats, as you tried to do earlier. You posted another link about percentages that had nothing to do with anything.

Overall his play calling has been fine. Sometimes he seems to get going and fires a bunch of passes off. Passing 5 times in a row after Foles went in wasn't wise, as pretty much everyone here seems to agree. Just go lie down, take a deep breath, and come back when you're ready to move on.


You really are a peach. If you would use common sense you would realize that your "volume" argument holds no water because the percentages aka run pass ratio as well as the situational pass run ratio refutes your point. Yes, they run more plays but they also run more at all times including the first half than 2/3 of the rest of the league. So you are either intellectually dishonest or deficient...you pick.

And Wentz was 4th but not by a margin of 3-4 times a game. He has 64 rushes but it is cute how you love to trot out the volume item for all but that part. You are the king of cherry picking. I merely use facts and season long stats to extablish the actual picture.

Now, as far as passing 5 times with Foles? You could go wither way. If you and your gang of coaches thinks that they should have run the ball what do you think the Rams were thinking? What were they prepared best to defend? Oh...yeah....

I had moved on until I read the stupidity that the Eagles don't run the ball enough.


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And Wentz was 4th but not by a margin of 3-4 times a game. He has 64 rushes but it is cute how you love to trot out the volume item for all but that part. You are the king of cherry picking. I merely use facts and season long stats to extablish the actual picture.


Right now we have 454 pass attempts and 407 rush attempts, about 53-47%. However, Wentz and Foles have 72 combined rushes - assuming 65 of them were called passes and not designed scrambles, that brings passing attempts up to 519 and rushing attempts down to 342. Now it's 60-40% - see how math works? laugh.gif

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I had moved on until I read the stupidity that the Eagles don't run the ball enough.


You read, correctly, that sometimes he forgets he has a running game. I don't even have a problem with 60-40 in this offense, but sometimes he does. And when he does, it will be pointed out here.


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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Dec 12 2017, 03:50 PM) *
Right now we have 454 pass attempts and 407 rush attempts, about 53-47%. However, Wentz and Foles have 72 combined rushes - assuming 65 of them were called passes and not designed scrambles, that brings passing attempts up to 519 and rushing attempts down to 342. Now it's 60-40% - see how math works? laugh.gif



You read, correctly, that sometimes he forgets he has a running game. I don't even have a problem with 60-40 in this offense, but sometimes he does. And when he does, it will be pointed out here.




You are truly amazing. First, the Eagles run RPOs much like many other teams in the league. Second, you can say the same for every team in the league. I suggest you look at other teams numbers before you look anymore foolish. The pats and the Steelers both have over 100 more passing attempts BEFORE you remove Brady (21) or Ben(24) rushing attempts. I suppose they have dumb Reid guys running them too. See how that math works?... ohmy.gif

Keep going...it is easy to samck this silly crap around....you make shit up and I provide the facts to refute it. This stuff is not hard to find....you just need to actually look before you open your mouth. At the very least this informs the rest of the board.



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