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- Zero   How good has Wentz been playing?   Nov 5 2017, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE (Zero @ Nov 5 2017, 08:12 PM) *
This from RF's favorite writer:[indent][/indent]Ray Didininger says if we were talking about Brady or Rogers we'd just take it for granted that these guys are two of the best to ever play the position, but this is a player who's only in the middle of his second year.

Wow! Just WOW! Getting FAs to come here is going to be very easy.


One negative, I am betting Schwartz gets a HC job this offseason, unless maybe Howie makes him the highest paid DC in the league.
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One negative, I am betting Schwartz gets a HC job this offseason, unless maybe Howie makes him the highest paid DC in the league.

I'm not thinking about next year, I'm just enjoying the ride this season...
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Even if schwartz moves on other quality coaches will want to come here.

I'm more concerned about the loss of Reich. I bet Pedey is not the mastermind of the 0. I see pedey as more of a glue guy HC. That's not intended to be an insult.

He did not come in with a lot of experience as a coach. He was brought here to recreate that "family" environment that Lurie wants. He's certainly done that and more.

Cap off to Pedey and his coaching staff. The HC or even DC do not get those CBs to perform at the level they've been playing at. There are position coaches who are doing a great job too.


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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Nov 6 2017, 04:08 PM) *
Even if schwartz moves on other quality coaches will want to come here.

I'm more concerned about the loss of Reich. I bet Pedey is not the mastermind of the 0. I see pedey as more of a glue guy HC. That's not intended to be an insult.

He did not come in with a lot of experience as a coach. He was brought here to recreate that "family" environment that Lurie wants. He's certainly done that and more.

Cap off to Pedey and his coaching staff. The HC or even DC do not get those CBs to perform at the level they've been playing at. There are position coaches who are doing a great job too.

There's nothing at all to suggest that Pedey isn't the main architect of the offense. I'm sure Reich contributes to it. Even Wentz has done if the stories are true. I'm sure most of the scheming around the NFL are calloborations.

Your persistence to minimize Pedey's coaching is odd. Is he atheist or something as equally terrible?


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QUOTE (Pila @ Nov 6 2017, 12:37 PM) *
Is he atheist or something as equally terrible?

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“There’s something significantly special about this team,” says Rev. Dr. Herb Lusk, who played running back for the Philadelphia Eagles for three seasons beginning in 1976. “I believe they have a divine connection- I really do.”

Once an Eagle always an Eagle, Rev. Lusk has served as team chaplain for the past 15 years, leading team pre-game prayers and Bible study.

Lusk says this team is lead by the faithful from Coach Doug Peterson, who he says “never misses Bible study,” to Quarterback Carson Wentz, who has been open about his Christian faith. B

But Lusk says this team is different, because the entire team seems driven by a higher purpose.

“You’ve got a guy like Chris Long who donated his salary to public education and who raised over a million dollars for water wells in Africa,” says Lusk, “and the offense coordinator- Frank Reich- he is a theologian with a Masters in Divinity.”
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QUOTE (Zero @ Nov 6 2017, 06:22 PM) *
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Ah, that explains Joe's propensity for crediting Reich over Pedey. Reich clearly being the super Christian! A Theologian!


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QUOTE (Pila @ Nov 6 2017, 12:37 PM) *
There's nothing at all to suggest that Pedey isn't the main architect of the offense. I'm sure Reich contributes to it. Even Wentz has done if the stories are true. I'm sure most of the scheming around the NFL are calloborations.

Your persistence to minimize Pedey's coaching is odd. Is he atheist or something as equally terrible?


What would be the problem if he was an atheist? It would just prove that he exercises the use of reason and intellectual honesty.


Anyway, Pedy is our HC and shwartz should be paid whatever it takes to keep him. We can't afford to patch holes anymore, If I was howie I'd take a paycut in order to keep the coaches together.
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QUOTE (Zero @ Nov 6 2017, 01:22 PM) *
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Dumbest thing I've learned... Why would a football team need to have a chaplain? As if a god would care about a game.

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Pila, you are absolutely right. I don't know that Pedey is not the mastermind. I've mostly just assumed it since this offense has less of a West Coast feel to it than I expected. I've assumed that this was due to the influence of Reich.

Furthermore I just never was impressed by Pedey's coaching resume. The only thing I was confident about him was his ability to recreate much of Andy R's "culture," one that would be player-friendly and especially QB-friendly.

Maybe I'm wrong, but until I get more solid evidence to the contrary, I'm going to assume Pedey is more of a glue-guy HC working with quality coordinators and a quality set of position coaches.

Again I don't mean that as an insult to the young HC. I definitely admire him and what they have accomplished with him! It is actually a compliment regarding his "emotional intelligence." If you were the GM and your options for HC were limited to such an inexperienced guy, wouldn't you design it so that the young HC would be surrounded by veteran coordinators and position coaches? Wouldn't you want a young HC with the emotional intelligence to rely on those coaches appropriately?

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There's nothing at all to suggest that Pedey isn't the main architect of the offense. I'm sure Reich contributes to it. Even Wentz has done if the stories are true. I'm sure most of the scheming around the NFL are calloborations.

Your persistence to minimize Pedey's coaching is odd. Is he atheist or something as equally terrible?


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Even if schwartz moves on other quality coaches will want to come here.

I'm more concerned about the loss of Reich. I bet Pedey is not the mastermind of the 0. I see pedey as more of a glue guy HC. That's not intended to be an insult.

He did not come in with a lot of experience as a coach. He was brought here to recreate that "family" environment that Lurie wants. He's certainly done that and more.

Cap off to Pedey and his coaching staff. The HC or even DC do not get those CBs to perform at the level they've been playing at. There are position coaches who are doing a great job too.
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I agree, I doubt that God cares about the final score. The chaplain is not there for the W-L record as much as it is for the individual players who want to participate in the chaplain's activities. I certainly believe God wants each player and coach to be the best athlete, best team mate and and best human being in the community that each of them can be.

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Interesting, thanks. I did not know anything about the religious or philosophical views of Pedey or Reich.

Pila, Christianity encourages honesty and fairness. (That doesn't mean it will always happen since we are also all imperfect, and at times, sinners.) So I try to give you my honest opinion regardless of an individual's socio-political or religious views. If the Raiders' O Linemen play well, I'll give them props for that. If they act like Commie-inspired Left Coast idiots, I'll say that too.

The Christian view is that we are all beloved children of one Father-God, so must treat each other as beloved brothers and sisters. Maybe some of that Christian world-view has rubbed off on the team and so they have more of a caring, family environment. I don't know. I bet Pastor Lusk does.

QUOTE (Zero @ Nov 6 2017, 12:22 PM) *
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“There’s something significantly special about this team,” says Rev. Dr. Herb Lusk, who played running back for the Philadelphia Eagles for three seasons beginning in 1976. “I believe they have a divine connection- I really do.”

Once an Eagle always an Eagle, Rev. Lusk has served as team chaplain for the past 15 years, leading team pre-game prayers and Bible study.

Lusk says this team is lead by the faithful from Coach Doug Peterson, who he says “never misses Bible study,” to Quarterback Carson Wentz, who has been open about his Christian faith. B

But Lusk says this team is different, because the entire team seems driven by a higher purpose.

“You’ve got a guy like Chris Long who donated his salary to public education and who raised over a million dollars for water wells in Africa,” says Lusk, “and the offense coordinator- Frank Reich- he is a theologian with a Masters in Divinity.”
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Interesting, thanks. I did not know anything about the religious or philosophical views of Pedey or Reich.

Pila, Christianity encourages honesty and fairness. (That doesn't mean it will always happen since we are also imperfect, and at times, sinners.) So I try to give you my honest opinion regardless of an individual's socio-political or religious views. If the Raiders' O Linemen play well, I'll give them props for that. If they act like Commie-inspired Left Coast idiots, I'll say that too.

The Christian view is that we are all beloved children of one Father-God, so we must treat each other as beloved brothers and sisters. Maybe some of that Christian world-view has rubbed off on the team and so they have more of a caring, family environment. I don't know. I bet Pastor Lusk does.

QUOTE (Zero @ Nov 6 2017, 12:22 PM) *
laugh.gif Read this, Monsignor:
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“There’s something significantly special about this team,” says Rev. Dr. Herb Lusk, who played running back for the Philadelphia Eagles for three seasons beginning in 1976. “I believe they have a divine connection- I really do.”

Once an Eagle always an Eagle, Rev. Lusk has served as team chaplain for the past 15 years, leading team pre-game prayers and Bible study.

Lusk says this team is lead by the faithful from Coach Doug Peterson, who he says “never misses Bible study,” to Quarterback Carson Wentz, who has been open about his Christian faith. B

But Lusk says this team is different, because the entire team seems driven by a higher purpose.

“You’ve got a guy like Chris Long who donated his salary to public education and who raised over a million dollars for water wells in Africa,” says Lusk, “and the offense coordinator- Frank Reich- he is a theologian with a Masters in Divinity.”
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QUOTE (Birdman420 @ Nov 6 2017, 03:07 PM) *
Dumbest thing I've learned... Why would a football team need to have a chaplain? As if a god would care about a game.

There's a large number of Christians in the NFL and my guess is the players want a chaplain.
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QUOTE (Birdman420 @ Nov 6 2017, 03:07 PM) *
Dumbest thing I've learned... Why would a football team need to have a chaplain? As if a god would care about a game.


I believe every professional sports franchise in the country has one, along with pretty much every institution you can think of - military units, law enforcement, colleges/universities, etc. But perhaps they're all wrong about the value and unity a chaplain can provide, and maybe they'd be better off listening to you and having a Team Atheist show up pre-game to give a motivational speech bitching about how the big nothing void awaits us all in this purposeless universe..... rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Nov 6 2017, 05:24 PM) *
I believe every professional sports franchise in the country has one, along with pretty much every institution you can think of - military units, law enforcement, colleges/universities, etc. But perhaps they're all wrong about the value and unity a chaplain can provide, and maybe they'd be better off listening to you and having a Team Atheist show up pre-game to give a motivational speech bitching about how the big nothing void awaits us all in this purposeless universe..... rolleyes.gif


How could you say that, no purpose? Your world is what you make of it and if believing in something you can't prove is what floats you then great, just don't brainwash someone else's child into thinking that crap.

If prayers work, then let the pilot land the plane via prayers, leave your child unstrapped into the baby seat and let god protect it. What happens after the prayer is gods will after all...
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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Nov 6 2017, 09:21 PM) *
Interesting, thanks. I did not know anything about the religious or philosophical views of Pedey or Reich.

Pila, Christianity encourages honesty and fairness. (That doesn't mean it will always happen since we are also all imperfect, and at times, sinners.) So I try to give you my honest opinion regardless of an individual's socio-political or religious views. If the Raiders' O Linemen play well, I'll give them props for that. If they act like Commie-inspired Left Coast idiots, I'll say that too.

The Christian view is that we are all beloved children of one Father-God, so must treat each other as beloved brothers and sisters. Maybe some of that Christian world-view has rubbed off on the team and so they have more of a caring, family environment. I don't know. I bet Pastor Lusk does.


Joe, the virtues of kindness and brotherhood are not unique to Christianity. In fact, it precedes all religion.

But I'm not interested in debating Christianity for the millionth time. I'll say this - inspiration is where one finds it. So, im not concerned with each's source. So long as they don't start proselytizing out of every pore like some insufferable door-knocking idiot, I say go at it some more.

And finally, I was just goofing on you a little. I didn't honestly think you were minimizing Pedey because he might have been atheist. Lol


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QUOTE (Pila @ Nov 6 2017, 07:10 PM) *
Joe, the virtues of kindness and brotherhood are not unique to Christianity. In fact, it precedes all religion.

But I'm not interested in debating Christianity for the millionth time. I'll say this - inspiration is where one finds it. So, im not concerned with each's source. So long as they don't start proselytizing out of every pore like some insufferable door-knocking idiot, I say go at it some more.

And finally, I was just goofing on you a little. I didn't honestly think you were minimizing Pedey because he might have been atheist. Lol


Well said Pila, thank you.

FWIW- I still visit church to listen to my mother sing in her choir, there's something wonderful about the music and how it relaxes you. That's about as far as I'm willing to take it though even if i can recognize the positive's in having a community aspect to a delegation, I can do just as well with the volunteer work I do and the people I meet through it.
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Just wanted to take this to private chat to understand your motives...

From what I can gather you're some kind of PC culture antifa fascist who thinks steinbeck is some kind of monster because he authored some of the most amazing speeches and writings of our time. You do understand that the entire world disagrees with your assessment of this man right? which leads me to believe you're into some alt-facts conspiracy crap.

Under the same logic, I'm guessing you think charles murry is a racist and he should have been shouted off the speakers podium at the liberal arts college? That safe spaces are needed?

I think you're incredibly mis informed and probably meagerly educated. Your attacks do on me do little to sway me, I've known for a while as a fact that the board merely tolerates you and your defensive attitude towards anything you disagree with. Learn to open yourself up to learning something new and defending your positions with tact instead of flailing like a child calling people names and trying to demonize someone who's greatness proceeds you.

Try to lighten up, everything is open for discussion as long as it's civil on the public forum, stop trying to ruin good conversation with your insistent bullshit. Reply to my response with some character and intelligence and you might be surprised what you get from it.

Just a suggestion, at the end of the day you've gotta live with yourself. I won't pity a martyr because I know that they like their job.


Messages like this are why you get nothing but trolling responses from me. This guy has a better command of the English language than you.





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Even if schwartz moves on other quality coaches will want to come here.

I'm more concerned about the loss of Reich. I bet Pedey is not the mastermind of the 0. I see pedey as more of a glue guy HC. That's not intended to be an insult.

He did not come in with a lot of experience as a coach. He was brought here to recreate that "family" environment that Lurie wants. He's certainly done that and more.

Cap off to Pedey and his coaching staff. The HC or even DC do not get those CBs to perform at the level they've been playing at. There are position coaches who are doing a great job too.


I have come to the conclusion that you just type silly stuff just to get a reaction. What in the world would lead you to believe that Reich is the mastermind. You ignore the one issue so many people had with Pederson calling plays but you think that Reich draws them up? Wtf?

hHe didn't have a lot of experience as a coach but he played for some of the best coaches ever to walk the sidelines.

A good HC builds a good staff.


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I have come to the conclusion that you just type silly stuff just to get a reaction.

Joe is a master troll. Observe below:

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I don't argue that Dallas is for real and that the Eagles could loose in two weeks.


Well played, motherfucker. Well played.


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