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- HobbEs   Birds trade for a RB   Oct 31 2017, 08:33 AM
- - JeeQ   Howie Roseman is a monster this year... I knew he ...   Oct 31 2017, 08:43 AM
- - dsc5085   Holy s***, we got Jay Ajayi!   Oct 31 2017, 08:59 AM
- - CT_Eagle   Does this move make the Eagles better at RB? I ad...   Oct 31 2017, 09:11 AM
- - Zero   Jay Train went to the Pro Bowl last year as an alt...   Oct 31 2017, 09:33 AM
|- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (Zero @ Oct 31 2017, 02:33 PM) Jay ...   Oct 31 2017, 09:36 AM
- - Zero   Daniel Jeremiah ✔@MoveTheSticks Philly building ...   Oct 31 2017, 09:36 AM
- - Zero   Barner's returning punts and doing a decent jo...   Oct 31 2017, 09:37 AM
- - Rick   Now, get some help for the O Line and they'll ...   Oct 31 2017, 09:40 AM
|- - Zero   QUOTE (Rick @ Oct 31 2017, 10:40 AM) Now,...   Oct 31 2017, 09:50 AM
- - Zero   And the fourth they gave up wasn't the highest...   Oct 31 2017, 09:54 AM
- - Zero   2016...   Oct 31 2017, 10:04 AM
- - Zero   QUOTE Ajayi has dealt with a knee injury this year...   Oct 31 2017, 10:16 AM
- - Zero   QUOTE Salguero said the Dolphins view Ajayi's ...   Oct 31 2017, 10:42 AM
- - dsc5085   Hopefully, the Eagles locker room is the right fit...   Oct 31 2017, 12:24 PM
|- - Joegrane   I really like his ability to pick up the blitz. ...   Oct 31 2017, 12:50 PM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (Joegrane @ Oct 31 2017, 01:50 PM) ...   Oct 31 2017, 02:24 PM
|- - Zero   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Oct 31 2017, 03:24 P...   Oct 31 2017, 03:26 PM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (Zero @ Oct 31 2017, 04:26 PM) I th...   Nov 1 2017, 06:01 AM
|- - Zero   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Nov 1 2017, 07:01 AM...   Nov 1 2017, 07:16 AM
||- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (Zero @ Nov 1 2017, 08:16 AM) I rea...   Nov 1 2017, 11:00 AM
||- - Joegrane   I had based my comments on the previous numbers I ...   Nov 1 2017, 12:55 PM
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||- - Zero   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Nov 1 2017, 12:00 PM...   Nov 1 2017, 05:32 PM
||- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (Zero @ Nov 1 2017, 06:32 PM) Just ...   Nov 1 2017, 10:57 PM
||- - Zero   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Nov 1 2017, 11:57 PM...   Nov 2 2017, 04:33 AM
||- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (Zero @ Nov 2 2017, 05:33 AM) Appar...   Nov 2 2017, 06:02 AM
||- - Zero   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Nov 2 2017, 07:02 AM...   Nov 2 2017, 07:25 AM
|- - Zero   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Nov 1 2017, 07:01 AM...   Nov 3 2017, 05:24 AM
- - Pila   QUOTE (HobbEs @ Oct 31 2017, 02:33 PM) Fr...   Oct 31 2017, 01:26 PM
- - Eyrie   I like the move. Ajayi is faster to the line than...   Oct 31 2017, 05:42 PM
|- - Joegrane   RF, this article explains well my point of view on...   Nov 2 2017, 10:00 AM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (Joegrane @ Nov 2 2017, 11:00 AM) R...   Nov 3 2017, 07:31 AM
|- - Zero   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Nov 3 2017, 08:31 AM...   Nov 3 2017, 07:53 AM
|- - Joegrane   Never said he was stellar. I don't think Ajay...   Nov 3 2017, 01:25 PM
- - Zero   I read this quote from Pederson "you have to ...   Nov 3 2017, 05:46 AM
> Birds trade for a RB, Pinch me. Is this for real?
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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Nov 1 2017, 07:01 AM) *
I suggest you read his coach's evaluation of his blitz pickup.....he was pretty emphatic about it...and he has averaged less than 2 catches per game for his short career. I agree that his issues may be born out of frustrations of being on a dysfunctional team.

I read it, and it was just about the only place I've seen that said he was bad. Nobody says he's great, but it sounds like he's about average which is better than what we have. Again, it may be that the coaching staff is part of the problem. Not exonerating Ajayi, but Gace did this last year with the OL and the unit this year isn't much to write home about.
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QUOTE (Zero @ Nov 1 2017, 08:16 AM) *
I read it, and it was just about the only place I've seen that said he was bad. Nobody says he's great, but it sounds like he's about average which is better than what we have. Again, it may be that the coaching staff is part of the problem. Not exonerating Ajayi, but Gace did this last year with the OL and the unit this year isn't much to write home about.


I am sure Gase, who so many loved, is the issue. He seems like a guy who has no clue how to make players buy into his ideas.

By the way, he was ranked 40th in blitz pickup this year, not 19th per PFF. He was also ranked the least efficient receiving back among backs with 14 rec or more. He will need to prove himself here.


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I had based my comments on the previous numbers I had seen suggesting his ability in blitz pickup is better than anyone we currently have and his ability as a receiver is better than Blount's. If you are correct, RF, then Ajayi is just another flawed RB with some ability and some flaws, plus the problems with health and loose screws. Given our situation, I'm still okay with the trade.

QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Nov 1 2017, 11:00 AM) *
I am sure Gase, who so many loved, is the issue. He seems like a guy who has no clue how to make players buy into his ideas.

By the way, he was ranked 40th in blitz pickup this year, not 19th per PFF. He was also ranked the least efficient receiving back among backs with 14 rec or more. He will need to prove himself here.

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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Nov 1 2017, 01:55 PM) *
I had based my comments on the previous numbers I had seen suggesting his ability in blitz pickup is better than anyone we currently have and his ability as a receiver is better than Blount's. If you are correct, RF, then Ajayi is just another flawed RB with some ability and some flaws, plus the problems with health and loose screws. Given our situation, I'm still okay with the trade.


I am ok with the trade...he is young, talented and cheap. I also agree with Z that it is reasonable that Gase's inability to connect with players and poor management skills may be a big part of it. I am just presenting the rest of the picture, not just the rosy stuff. It is a worthwhile gamble even if it seems bizarre that the Dolphins let him go so easily.


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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Nov 1 2017, 12:00 PM) *
I am sure Gase, who so many loved, is the issue. He seems like a guy who has no clue how to make players buy into his ideas.

By the way, he was ranked 40th in blitz pickup this year, not 19th per PFF. He was also ranked the least efficient receiving back among backs with 14 rec or more. He will need to prove himself here.
Just curious, where do the conflicting stats come from? I always thought PFF was a reliable source.
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QUOTE (Zero @ Nov 1 2017, 06:32 PM) *
Just curious, where do the conflicting stats come from? I always thought PFF was a reliable source.


They are from PFF and were referenced in an article in THE Athletic.

https://www.theathletic.com/142686/2017/10/...r-rb-jay-ajayi/


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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Nov 1 2017, 11:57 PM) *
They are from PFF and were referenced in an article in THE Athletic.

https://www.theathletic.com/142686/2017/10/...r-rb-jay-ajayi/

Apparently you need to pay for the advanced stats on PFF, and I don't understand why some people are saying the site rates him higher than the Athletic does. This link looks like it's saying he's "high quality" in running and receiving but mentions nothing about pass pro. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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QUOTE (Zero @ Nov 2 2017, 05:33 AM) *
Apparently you need to pay for the advanced stats on PFF, and I don't understand why some people are saying the site rates him higher than the Athletic does. This link looks like it's saying he's "high quality" in running and receiving but mentions nothing about pass pro. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


I think you are correct. His issues, whatever they may be could be a result of a serious disconnect between player and coach. Gase seems like an asshole.


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I think you are correct. His issues, whatever they may be could be a result of a serious disconnect between player and coach. Gase seems like an asshole.

I think I was one of the population that was disappointed when the Eagles hired Pederson instead of Gace. I'm also running for CEO of DKD.
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