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post Sep 28 2017, 10:43 PM
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Can someone please explain how an NFL team ever gets pressure on a team that throws the ball 2 seconds after the snap? It isn't possible which is why the Giants did it to make up for the obvious mismatch.

Cox was not missed as much as Hicks. He really is the heart and soul of that D. At least the D was able to rally when it really counted...that was impressive and improbable considering the wave of injuries they had to endure. Maragos had to start for god's sake.


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post Sep 29 2017, 10:13 AM
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The Giants did it because the Eagles were giving them the opportunity to do it. Schwartz was quoted as saying as much. The Eagles knew they could not cover the Giants' WRs deep, so they decided to play bend-but-not-break, allow the G men to march down the field and then make a stand on a shorter field.

That worked for a while until the injuries plus time of possession in the second half caused the Eagles D to become gassed.

I assume this was part of the reason they went for it on 4th and 8. If they punted, the G Men were likely going to march down the field. Then a gassed Eagles D was going to have to try to keep them out of the End zone. So they gave the Gmen a short field and the Eagles D was not gassed when trying to make a Red Zone stand.

Cox is more important than Hicks who I also like. The havoc that B Graham creates is due in part to the fact that the QB can't step up in the pocket. Cox's O Lineman has been pushed back into the pocket.

Furthermore, compare the replacements. A capable, very athletic veteran Kendricks fills in for Hicks. A former 7th rounder, B Allen fills in for Cox, a huge drop off in athleticism!

QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 28 2017, 10:43 PM) *
Can someone please explain how an NFL team ever gets pressure on a team that throws the ball 2 seconds after the snap? It isn't possible which is why the Giants did it to make up for the obvious mismatch.

I hear that Hicks and McCloud were full participants at practice on Wed. Wiz was getting lots of reps at 1st team OG but would not be surprised if we see some Warmack. Supposedly the Bolts have a smaller but quick D, unlike the Giants.
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-eagl...-wiz-first-team

Cox was not missed as much as Hicks. He really is the heart and soul of that D. At least the D was able to rally when it really counted...that was impressive and improbable considering the wave of injuries they had to endure. Maragos had to start for god's sake.


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And this is something we've been watching from various DCs over the years and it infuriates me. We sit here and watch pass after pass caught in front of our defense. We watch them play off 10 yards+ on 3rd and 5 and watch the ball being caught for a 1st down. We watch an Odell Beckham never get touched until he's caught the ball. Sick of watching it.

And it looks like Cox may be out for this week as well. They still haven't said whether Hicks will be ready or not.

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post Sep 29 2017, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Sep 29 2017, 11:13 AM) *
The Giants did it because the Eagles were giving them the opportunity to do it. Schwartz was quoted as saying as much. The Eagles knew they could not cover the Giants' WRs deep, so they decided to play bend-but-not-break, allow the G men to march down the field and then make a stand on a shorter field.

That worked for a while until the injuries plus time of possession in the second half caused the Eagles D to become gassed.

I assume this was part of the reason they went for it on 4th and 8. If they punted, the G Men were likely going to march down the field. Then a gassed Eagles D was going to have to try to keep them out of the End zone. So they gave the Gmen a short field and the Eagles D was not gassed when trying to make a Red Zone stand.

Cox is more important than Hicks who I also like. The havoc that B Graham creates is due in part to the fact that the QB can't step up in the pocket. Cox's O Lineman has been pushed back into the pocket.

Furthermore, compare the replacements. A capable, very athletic veteran Kendricks fills in for Hicks. A former 7th rounder, B Allen fills in for Cox, a huge drop off in athleticism!


I was being sarcastic on the first point...the announcers even pointed out that the Giants countered the pass rush by taking the quick short throws. It was an obvious tactic.

I disagree that Cox is more valuable but I also thing he is overrated so that explains that. I think he a very good DT, don't get me wrong but f or the money he should do more. Just my opinion and I could be wrong. Where I think Hicks is more important is that Allen is a space eater and though he may not get as much pressure as Cox he does pretty well overall. Hicks' replacements do not cover anywhere nearly as well or find the ball or tackle as well not to mention calling the adjustments.

Graham's success was limited by the offense the Giants ran more than the absence of Cox.


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