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post Sep 24 2017, 05:03 PM
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Several things are a concern. Pederson seems to just try things to say he is the coach. Blount is killing the Giants and then disappears for 2-3 series. He takes him out on short yardage downs for Smallwood.

Wentz can't throw a deep ball to save his life.


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post Sep 25 2017, 04:49 AM
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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 25 2017, 12:41 AM) *
Even a broken clock is right twice a day and that was vs. the Browns. He is increasingly bad and this year he has WRs that actually beat good CBs and has underthrown or overthrown them all badly. It has to be a concern. He can scramble but he holds the ball way too long. I don't know of that is because the plays take forever to develop or he is too conservative but he needs to get the ball out or they need to simplify their routes.

I have to agree here and I wonder if this is why he's struggling with the deep ball right now. I keep screaming at the TV to get rid of the ball. He has to learn when to get rid of it and when to try and make something happen. A fine line at times for sure, and I think he'll get there eventually. But he has to get his long ball issues under control.
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post Sep 25 2017, 04:51 AM
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QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 25 2017, 01:07 AM) *
What worries me more about the coaching than anything is they won't make game-time adjustments to save their life. Gameplan not working in the first half, come back in the second half with the same exact gameplan.

The defense played softly through 3 quarters, Giants finally picked up on it and shredded us for 24 points in one-quarter. Let me repeat that, 0 points in 3 quarters, 24 points in one-quarter; what the fuck! I'm glad we got the win but alarms should be sounding everywhere. We were one penalty away from losing this game in the span of one-quarter.

Exactly. I don't care how many injuries they had, 24 points in a quarter is inexcusable and a direct result of playing so soft. I'm sick to death of watching this year after year, DC after DC. I understand there will be times where you play a little soft but ALL game long we watch it and it does nothing to help the CBs we have.
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post Sep 25 2017, 07:08 AM
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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 24 2017, 11:41 PM) *
Even a broken clock is right twice a day and that was vs. the Browns. He is increasingly bad and this year he has WRs that actually beat good CBs and has underthrown or overthrown them all badly. It has to be a concern. He can scramble but he holds the ball way too long. I don't know of that is because the plays take forever to develop or he is too conservative but he needs to get the ball out or they need to simplify their routes.

I think my point is that he's capable of throwing a great deep ball. For whatever reason, his timing isn't there yet with these receivers.

He's also still only in his second year. He's a far more advanced passer than the best QB in franchise history at this point in their respective careers.

I really think the the expectations are out of whack for the kid.
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post Sep 25 2017, 07:12 AM
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QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 25 2017, 12:07 AM) *
The defense played softly through 3 quarters, Giants finally picked up on it and shredded us for 24 points in one-quarter. Let me repeat that, 0 points in 3 quarters, 24 points in one-quarter; what the fuck! I'm glad we got the win but alarms should be sounding everywhere. We were one penalty away from losing this game in the span of one-quarter.

What do you mean "Giants finally picked up on it?"

The Giants rolled with a quick passing game all day long. By far the quickest in football on the day. We had the likes of Odell Beckham Jr. and Brandon Marshall being covered by a former 7th round pick and a 3rd round rookie.

Yes, our DC was trying to protect our CBs.
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post Sep 25 2017, 07:13 AM
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QUOTE (D Rock @ Sep 25 2017, 12:14 AM) *
Pulling Blount to give reps to ANYBODY else was crazy.

Has anyone considered the possibility that our 265lb RB doesn't have the endurance to be on the field all game?
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post Sep 25 2017, 09:27 AM
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I'm now assuming that Wentz won't be a really good deep ball passer, especially not in the short term. However the big arm and long WRs still provide a credible threat. A playoff caliber offense needs accuracy in short and medium routes. Wentz has been good there. He's been amazingly accurate on medium routes while scrambling.

He's the least of the team's problems. We clearly have a franchise QB, someone who will likely be above average and good enough to make a deep playoff run.


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He did that today. Lucky we got a PI. A good throw is a TD.

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I think Wentz would be better off going back to throwing the deep balls a little short. His outside WRs have been good at playing DB in those situations, unlike the NYG WR Marshall, who was pulling his pud while R Douglass made the nice, easy INT. I'm sure glad we ended up with A Jeffrey rather than B Marshall.
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post Sep 25 2017, 10:12 AM
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The worrisome thing I've seen so far is that after that first game, Washington has looked surprisingly sharp.
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post Sep 25 2017, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 25 2017, 07:13 AM) *
Has anyone considered the possibility that our 265lb RB doesn't have the endurance to be on the field all game?


There's no excuse for the lack of touches he got the way he was punishing the Giants. He also didn't touch the ball until 4:03 in the 1st, our 3rd series. If Sproles didn't get injured he would've had even less touches. It has nothing to do with his weight, and everything to do with Pederson not knowing what the hell he's doing.


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post Sep 25 2017, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 25 2017, 12:43 PM) *
There's no excuse for the lack of touches he got the way he was punishing the Giants. He also didn't touch the ball until 4:03 in the 1st, our 3rd series. If Sproles didn't get injured he would've had even less touches. It has nothing to do with his weight, and everything to do with Pederson not knowing what the hell he's doing.

Maybe. but he's also not the model of fitness. Could be an issue.
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post Sep 25 2017, 01:23 PM
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I can honestly say I am not worried. I came into the season hoping for nothing more than a winning record. I had no expectations of a playoff run. There are too many holes on this team coupled with a few unknowns for me to have had a lot of optimism. If they even sniff the playoffs they will have exceeded my expectations so I am worry free.

Pederson is one of the unknowns for me. My opinion of him at this point is still being formed. My gut tells me that he is going to suffer the same shortcomings as Reid. Poor game day decision making and a predisposition to fall back on excessive passing when the game plan begins to falter.

Wentz is the second unknown for me. One thing has become apparent to me this year is that his short and medium accuracy are good. It was tough to gauge if you only looked at his numbers from last year. There were too many easily catchable balls that were dropped last year. It seems the new WR corp, plus better hands from Agholar, have solved that problem. As a result, I think Wentz's completion percentage has gone up this year although I have to checked to verify. His long ball accuracy has been a problem this year.

The secondary is still a problem. I think Darby and Jones will upgrade that unit considerably once they return. Hopefully they are both back in December. Who knows, if the Eagles can keep the division close, they can provide a necessary boost towards a playoff birth. Mills will be a good nickel and Douglas has potential as well.

I was also concerned about the running game coming into the season. Yesterday's effort was a good sign. The OL made some holes the RBs hit them. I was especially impressed with the fight in Smallwood. I don't recall seeing that from him in the past.

It may be that the OL can run block well but I still have not seen any evidence that they can pass block. This unit has to be addressed in the off season. Peters is getting long in the tooth and both the LG and Kelce need to be upgraded.

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post Sep 25 2017, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 25 2017, 01:52 PM) *
Maybe. but he's also not the model of fitness. Could be an issue.

Not the model of fitness in your expert opinion? Have you worked out with him? Do you really know how fit or unfit he is?
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post Sep 25 2017, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 25 2017, 01:23 PM) *
Pederson is one of the unknowns for me. My opinion of him at this point is still being formed. My gut tells me that he is going to suffer the same shortcomings as Reid. Poor game day decision making and a predisposition to fall back on excessive passing when the game plan begins to falter.


My 'gut' told me this last year. Now, it's painfully obvious. I always hold out hope that someone can scream advice in his ear until he learns, or maybe intervene on some level, but he was absolutely terrible yesterday. The Giants had no business even being in that game. We won despite him, end of story.


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post Sep 25 2017, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (Rick @ Sep 25 2017, 01:29 PM) *
Not the model of fitness in your expert opinion? Have you worked out with him? Do you really know how fit or unfit he is?

Well, I know that he has a weight clause in his contract. Which usually isn't done for no reason at all.
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post Sep 25 2017, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 25 2017, 02:23 PM) *
Pederson is one of the unknowns for me. My opinion of him at this point is still being formed. My gut tells me that he is going to suffer the same shortcomings as Reid. Poor game day decision making and a predisposition to fall back on excessive passing when the game plan begins to falter.

Is there such a thing as "excessive passing" in today's NFL? If so, what is the benchmark for excessive passing?


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QUOTE (Phits @ Sep 25 2017, 09:34 PM) *
Is there such a thing as "excessive passing" in today's NFL? If so, what is the benchmark for excessive passing?



Of course. We would all agree that 0% passing is too little and 100% is too much, or "excessive". The real question is at what level is it too much and there is no consensus. Take a look at various posters on this site and there is a healthy variety of opinion on this subject. For me, I draw the line at around 60% for the season, not an individual game, for the season. Take a look at the history of Super Bowl winners and their season pass percentage. You will find very few teams have won the Super Bowl with a seasonal pass percentage over 60%. A couple have approached 60 but did not break it. The 60% line is a very good dividing line.

Individual games are different. There are numerous factors which may lead a team to pass for more than 60% in a game. Being behind by a large margin or late in the game would be cause. Also, taking advantage of an opponent with a weak secondary. The flow of the game will dictate the percentage.
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post Sep 25 2017, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 25 2017, 04:29 PM) *
Well, I know that he has a weight clause in his contract. Which usually isn't done for no reason at all.

And why is there a weight clause in his contract (and where did you see this)? Just because he may be heavy doesn't mean he isn't fit. However, being lighter can help you make cuts, etc. He looked fine yesterday for sure. They weren't showing him huffing and puffing on the sideline. When he was finished with his runs he didn't look to be tired, out of breath etc.

Maybe it's just that whole RB by committee Pedersen is talking about and not really an issue with his fitness?

Your disdain for Blount makes absolutely no sense....especially after how much he punished the Vagiants' D yesterday. Would have been nice to have seen him punish them some more.
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post Sep 25 2017, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE (Rick @ Sep 25 2017, 04:53 PM) *
And why is there a weight clause in his contract (and where did you see this)? Just because he may be heavy doesn't mean he isn't fit. However, being lighter can help you make cuts, etc. He looked fine yesterday for sure. They weren't showing him huffing and puffing on the sideline. When he was finished with his runs he didn't look to be tired, out of breath etc.

Maybe it's just that whole RB by committee Pedersen is talking about and not really an issue with his fitness?

Your disdain for Blount makes absolutely no sense....especially after how much he punished the Vagiants' D yesterday. Would have been nice to have seen him punish them some more.

This has absolutely nothing to do with disdain for Blount. He’s personally not my style back due to his lack of pass catching ability, but I have nothing against him. I just think giving major carries to a 30+ back coming off a career high in touches is short sighted.

But if you want to learn about his weight clause, it’s not hard to find.
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post Sep 25 2017, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 25 2017, 06:31 PM) *
This has absolutely nothing to do with disdain for Blount. He’s personally not my style back due to his lack of pass catching ability, but I have nothing against him. I just think giving major carries to a 30+ back coming off a career high in touches is short sighted.

But if you want to learn about his weight clause, it’s not hard to find.

So, he's on the team, should they NOT use him for what they picked him up for--short yardage situations? Might help them actually win a game. Is that too short-sighted?

I'm sure I can find the weight clause but, until you've mentioned it, I hadn't heard anything about it. So, enlighten me, why does he have the weight clause? Has he been unfit in the past or just a little heavier than they'd like. There is a difference you know...
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QUOTE (Rick @ Sep 25 2017, 05:35 PM) *
So, he's on the team, should they NOT use him for what they picked him up for--short yardage situations? Might help them actually win a game. Is that too short-sighted?

Well, considering I think that quickness/acceleration are more important to short yardage running than size, you’re probably asking the wrong person.

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I'm sure I can find the weight clause but, until you've mentioned it, I hadn't heard anything about it. So, enlighten me, why does he have the weight clause? Has he been unfit in the past or just a little heavier than they'd like. There is a difference you know...

I don’t recall saying he was unfit. Just not the model of fitness. Mikey has mentioned several times that he’s at 265 this year. Not sure where he heard that. But as to why he has the clause? It’s because they want to incentivize him for not being fatter than he was last year.
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post Sep 25 2017, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (Rick @ Sep 25 2017, 06:35 PM) *
I'm sure I can find the weight clause but, until you've mentioned it, I hadn't heard anything about it. So, enlighten me, why does he have the weight clause? Has he been unfit in the past or just a little heavier than they'd like. There is a difference you know...


He's officially listed at 250 (I don't know where the hell 265 comes from either). His contract offered him an extra $50,000 to show up at training camp weighing between 240-245. This obviously shows the Eagles wanted him a few pounds lighter, but not too light. I can't find anything official on whether he got the money or not, there was speculation considering the official training camp guide had him at 250.

I was high on the signing because we got him for cheap, and it gave us a heavy RB who could pick up short yardage and wear down the defense, something I don't remember us ever really having. Nobody wants to tackle the guy, as we saw yesterday. I think I could bring down Smallwood if he ran right at me.


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post Sep 25 2017, 08:24 PM
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Hey Mikey - you are being summoned. Where did 265 come from?
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post Sep 26 2017, 05:36 AM
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 25 2017, 06:49 PM) *
Well, considering I think that quickness/acceleration are more important to short yardage running than size, you’re probably asking the wrong person.


I don’t recall saying he was unfit. Just not the model of fitness. Mikey has mentioned several times that he’s at 265 this year. Not sure where he heard that. But as to why he has the clause? It’s because they want to incentivize him for not being fatter than he was last year.

Well, by definition, if you say he is not the model of fitness, you are saying he is unfit.

I have not seen photos of him without a shirt on or even in street clothes. So I cannot comment on whether he is fat or not--you seem to think he is fat. Now, at 6' and (listed) 250, he could be fat or he could be muscular and more fit than you seem to think he can be. Personally, I'm 6' tall and walk around at about 240 normally. I am muscular and nobody I know who's seen me thinks I'm fat. It is quite possible to be that height/weight and be fit fit, it is also quite possible to be that height/weight and be fat. My guess is he's somewhere in between. Now, I also don't have the kind of speed a RB would need but I also have never been fleet of foot.

What I'm saying is, you seem to be making broad assumptions here. But, if you watched his performance on Sunday--I'm pretty sure you did--and don't think he was a benefit to the team the way he was running, then you are crazy.
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QUOTE (Rick @ Sep 26 2017, 05:36 AM) *
Well, by definition, if you say he is not the model of fitness, you are saying he is unfit.

I have not seen photos of him without a shirt on or even in street clothes. So I cannot comment on whether he is fat or not--you seem to think he is fat. Now, at 6' and (listed) 250, he could be fat or he could be muscular and more fit than you seem to think he can be. Personally, I'm 6' tall and walk around at about 240 normally. I am muscular and nobody I know who's seen me thinks I'm fat. It is quite possible to be that height/weight and be fit fit, it is also quite possible to be that height/weight and be fat. My guess is he's somewhere in between. Now, I also don't have the kind of speed a RB would need but I also have never been fleet of foot.

What I'm saying is, you seem to be making broad assumptions here. But, if you watched his performance on Sunday--I'm pretty sure you did--and don't think he was a benefit to the team the way he was running, then you are crazy.

I simply said he might not have the endurance to be on the field the whole game. You can twist that however you’d like.
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post Sep 26 2017, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 26 2017, 07:13 AM) *
I simply said he might not have the endurance to be on the field the whole game. You can twist that however you’d like.


I would say that your idea is the only one that makes sense short of Pederson being overly experimental. They may have have been resting him between uses thinking he needs to get his games legs for later in the year.


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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 26 2017, 07:13 AM) *
I simply said he might not have the endurance to be on the field the whole game. You can twist that however you’d like.

I'm not twisting anything. You said (essentially) he is not fit with no evidence to support it. I just called you out on it.
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Just a couple of weeks ago we were blasting Blount for looking overweight, slow and old!

QUOTE (Rick @ Sep 26 2017, 09:43 AM) *
I'm not twisting anything. You said (essentially) he is not fit with no evidence to support it. I just called you out on it.

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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Sep 26 2017, 09:52 AM) *
Just a couple of weeks ago we were blasting Blount for looking overweight, slow and old!

Haha. For real. Why is it unreasonable to assume a guy that is likely 250-265lbs gets winded after barreling over a bunch of other large men.

He’s a big, older (in football years) dude. He had a career high in touches last year. But sure. Let’s run him into the ground in week 3 in a game we should have dominated.
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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Sep 26 2017, 09:52 AM) *
Just a couple of weeks ago we were blasting Blount for looking overweight, slow and old!


No, you all were, with one or two other exceptions. The punishment he deals out to tacklers more than makes up for any step he's lost. He's about the same size as Mike Alstott was. Nobody tires out or is scared of tackling Smallwood. Maybe the KC game would've gone differently if Blount didn't register 1 official touch.


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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Sep 26 2017, 10:52 AM) *
Just a couple of weeks ago we were blasting Blount for looking overweight, slow and old!

WE were not. I never said anything like that.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 26 2017, 11:10 AM) *
Haha. For real. Why is it unreasonable to assume a guy that is likely 250-265lbs gets winded after barreling over a bunch of other large men.

He’s a big, older (in football years) dude. He had a career high in touches last year. But sure. Let’s run him into the ground in week 3 in a game we should have dominated.

Because there is absolutely no evidence to suggest this is what happened/happens. YOU are the one who keeps talking about how out of shape he is. If there is evidence to support your theory, then yeah, I can see your point. But, there is none.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 25 2017, 08:24 PM) *
Hey Mikey - you are being summoned. Where did 265 come from?

Adam Caplan last week on 97.5 thru an unnamed Eagles source said he showed up at 265 at training camp.

Caplan is well connected.
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Sep 26 2017, 08:44 PM) *
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That's all you had to write buddy. The asshole who fueled the 'Blount is getting cut' rumors. Apparently his 'connections' aren't very good.


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He’s probably the most well informed insider.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 26 2017, 08:29 PM) *
He’s probably the most well informed insider.


Clearly that doesn't speak well for other 'insiders.'


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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 26 2017, 10:32 PM) *
Clearly that doesn't speak well for other 'insiders.'

Maybe not. But it’s reality. Frankly, I’m not even sure what competition he has at this point.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 25 2017, 08:08 AM) *
I think my point is that he's capable of throwing a great deep ball. For whatever reason, his timing isn't there yet with these receivers.

He's also still only in his second year. He's a far more advanced passer than the best QB in franchise history at this point in their respective careers.

I really think the the expectations are out of whack for the kid.

Agreed. Probably because he already has carried himself on and off the field and played like a seasoned vet who is only starting his second season.

I have no concerns regarding Wentz. In fact, I am thrilled he will be our QB for the next decade plus.


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post Oct 1 2017, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 24 2017, 11:41 PM) *
Even a broken clock is right twice a day and that was vs. the Browns. He is increasingly bad and this year he has WRs that actually beat good CBs and has underthrown or overthrown them all badly. It has to be a concern. He can scramble but he holds the ball way too long. I don't know of that is because the plays take forever to develop or he is too conservative but he needs to get the ball out or they need to simplify their routes.


Talk about a broken clock. You'd piss and moan if you were hung with a new rope. Today against the bolts just proves how wrong you are.
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post Oct 1 2017, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE (Bisonbacker @ Oct 1 2017, 07:45 PM) *
Talk about a broken clock. You'd piss and moan if you were hung with a new rope. Today against the bolts just proves how wrong you are.

That long pass to Ertz was beee ooo tee full!
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post Oct 1 2017, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE (Zero @ Oct 1 2017, 06:55 PM) *
That long pass to Ertz was beee ooo tee full!


Not to mention the pass to Agholor. Smith had one passed right to his hands that he dropped that could have been another big gainer if not a TD.
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post Oct 1 2017, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (SAM I Am @ Sep 28 2017, 10:18 PM) *
Agreed. Probably because he already has carried himself on and off the field and played like a seasoned vet who is only starting his second season.

I have no concerns regarding Wentz. In fact, I am thrilled he will be our QB for the next decade plus.

That guy is on the verge of greatness. The poise is unmistakable.


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post Oct 1 2017, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE (Pila @ Oct 1 2017, 07:58 PM) *
That guy is on the verge of greatness. The poise is unmistakable.

And just think. He'll be wearing Eagle Green for a decade plus!!!


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