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- CT_Eagle   GDT - Phi @ KC, 17Sep17   Sep 17 2017, 11:59 AM
- - CT_Eagle   That was a good stop after the 44 yard pass to Kel...   Sep 17 2017, 12:10 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Not a bad drive. The pass protection broke down on...   Sep 17 2017, 12:22 PM
- - The Franchise   I like them putting Jenkins on Kelce. He'll s...   Sep 17 2017, 12:24 PM
|- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 17 2017, 06:24...   Sep 17 2017, 12:32 PM
- - CT_Eagle   If Watkins goes for the tackle instead of the ball...   Sep 17 2017, 12:27 PM
- - CT_Eagle   The run D did it's job on that drive. The line...   Sep 17 2017, 12:31 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Sacked on a 3 man rush and damn near a turnover. U...   Sep 17 2017, 12:41 PM
- - CT_Eagle   The OL killed that drive.   Sep 17 2017, 12:42 PM
- - CT_Eagle   The secondary is dropping like flies   Sep 17 2017, 12:47 PM
- - CT_Eagle   dupe   Sep 17 2017, 12:47 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Another good series by the defense. Kendricks was ...   Sep 17 2017, 12:52 PM
- - CT_Eagle   That is 2 catches Smith should have come down with...   Sep 17 2017, 12:57 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Horrible drive. The OL is sill looking shaky at be...   Sep 17 2017, 01:01 PM
|- - mcnabbulous   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:01 PM) ...   Sep 17 2017, 01:05 PM
|- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 06:05 P...   Sep 17 2017, 01:08 PM
|- - nephillymike   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:08 PM) ...   Sep 17 2017, 01:09 PM
|- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (nephillymike @ Sep 17 2017, 06:09 ...   Sep 17 2017, 01:13 PM
- - nephillymike   Andy with three timeouts in the two minute warning...   Sep 17 2017, 01:05 PM
- - The Franchise   Entering the 2 minute warning and not a timeout ha...   Sep 17 2017, 01:06 PM
|- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 17 2017, 06:06...   Sep 17 2017, 01:09 PM
- - The Franchise   Clock running, it's 3rd down - let's let a...   Sep 17 2017, 01:09 PM
|- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 17 2017, 06:09...   Sep 17 2017, 01:11 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Great defensive stand   Sep 17 2017, 01:11 PM
- - CT_Eagle   AHHHH Sproles! Anyone else on this team and I...   Sep 17 2017, 01:12 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Great job by the D after the turnover. For that ma...   Sep 17 2017, 01:15 PM
|- - mcnabbulous   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:15 PM) ...   Sep 17 2017, 01:25 PM
|- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 06:25 P...   Sep 17 2017, 01:29 PM
|- - mcnabbulous   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:29 PM) ...   Sep 17 2017, 01:33 PM
- - CT_Eagle   So after 6 quarters of the 2017 season, I am still...   Sep 17 2017, 01:22 PM
- - nephillymike   Fucking Elliott. A 30 yd FG is at least 90% shot....   Sep 17 2017, 01:24 PM
- - nephillymike   I love how they are roughing up Smith.   Sep 17 2017, 01:26 PM
- - The Franchise   I had a bad feeling on that field goal. It looked...   Sep 17 2017, 01:27 PM
- - CT_Eagle   I still have some concerns about Wentz's accur...   Sep 17 2017, 01:34 PM
|- - The Franchise   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:34 PM) ...   Sep 17 2017, 01:36 PM
|- - nephillymike   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:34 PM) ...   Sep 17 2017, 01:45 PM
|- - mcnabbulous   QUOTE (nephillymike @ Sep 17 2017, 01:45 ...   Sep 17 2017, 01:49 PM
- - CT_Eagle   That is what I am looking for from Smith.   Sep 17 2017, 01:37 PM
- - CT_Eagle   The run blocking looks a lot better with Sproles r...   Sep 17 2017, 01:39 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Hit Agholar in the hand. The Eagle's WR have t...   Sep 17 2017, 01:40 PM
- - nephillymike   Next offensive series, it's time for hurry up ...   Sep 17 2017, 01:41 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Another good series by the D. The pressure from th...   Sep 17 2017, 01:46 PM
- - nephillymike   Can't waste this D effort. Run the hurry up...   Sep 17 2017, 01:48 PM
|- - The Franchise   QUOTE (nephillymike @ Sep 17 2017, 01:48 ...   Sep 17 2017, 01:50 PM
- - CT_Eagle   This should be a TD   Sep 17 2017, 01:55 PM
- - CT_Eagle   That was a great drive. When I talk about method...   Sep 17 2017, 01:58 PM
|- - mcnabbulous   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:58 PM) ...   Sep 17 2017, 02:03 PM
|- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 07:03 P...   Sep 17 2017, 02:05 PM
- - nephillymike   Nice drive! Woo hoo !!   Sep 17 2017, 02:00 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Dammit   Sep 17 2017, 02:04 PM
- - nephillymike   Damn. Where were the LB's?   Sep 17 2017, 02:05 PM
- - CT_Eagle   This game is really moving. 2 hours and 10 minutes...   Sep 17 2017, 02:12 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Sproles did a poor job picking up that block   Sep 17 2017, 02:15 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Hollins has had a few big catches in the 2nd half.   Sep 17 2017, 02:17 PM
- - The Franchise   That wasted timeout could end up biting us. No ex...   Sep 17 2017, 02:22 PM
|- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 17 2017, 07:22...   Sep 17 2017, 02:24 PM
- - CT_Eagle   You cannot blame the OL for that drive stalling   Sep 17 2017, 02:23 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Big play by Douglas there. We need a score on thi...   Sep 17 2017, 02:27 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Now the Chiefs get the lucky bounce. The deflecti...   Sep 17 2017, 02:33 PM
- - nephillymike   Put Cox right over the new guy.   Sep 17 2017, 02:36 PM
- - CT_Eagle   That was a great play call by Reid. The big diff...   Sep 17 2017, 02:37 PM
|- - nephillymike   QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 02:37 PM) ...   Sep 17 2017, 02:40 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Time to see if Wentz can lead a team from behind.   Sep 17 2017, 02:42 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Not this drive. 1st Down - OL 2nd Down - Poor pas...   Sep 17 2017, 02:44 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Even a FG here pretty much ends it   Sep 17 2017, 02:47 PM
- - nephillymike   Game, set and match. To play with the big boys, y...   Sep 17 2017, 02:55 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Team loss today. The offense did not show up unti...   Sep 17 2017, 02:55 PM
- - bwc2112   Again we fuck ourselves . This could have been a h...   Sep 17 2017, 02:56 PM
- - CT_Eagle   Why do announcers keep saying the OL has played we...   Sep 17 2017, 03:03 PM
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|- - CT_Eagle   QUOTE (nephillymike @ Sep 17 2017, 08:06 ...   Sep 17 2017, 03:18 PM
- - mcnabbulous   We lost on the road to one of the best teams in fo...   Sep 17 2017, 03:04 PM
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post Sep 17 2017, 11:59 AM
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I figured we could use a game day thread instead of starting a new thread for everything that happens in the game.

Time to get this started.
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post Sep 17 2017, 12:10 PM
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That was a good stop after the 44 yard pass to Kelce.

The Eagles didn't get any pressure on Smith during that drive. Some big holes by the Chief line on the two runs.
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post Sep 17 2017, 12:22 PM
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Not a bad drive. The pass protection broke down on 3 of the plays. Smith needs to make that catch.
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post Sep 17 2017, 12:24 PM
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I like them putting Jenkins on Kelce. He'll still have a big game, but the only one who might be able to make a play on him is Jenkins.


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post Sep 17 2017, 12:27 PM
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If Watkins goes for the tackle instead of the ball there, the Chiefs are punting
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post Sep 17 2017, 12:31 PM
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The run D did it's job on that drive. The line also got some pressure on the 3rd down. Get defensive series.
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post Sep 17 2017, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 17 2017, 06:24 PM) *
I like them putting Jenkins on Kelce. He'll still have a big game, but the only one who might be able to make a play on him is Jenkins.



I can't think of anyone else who can do the job. Maybe Hicks on the crossing patterns.
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post Sep 17 2017, 12:41 PM
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Sacked on a 3 man rush and damn near a turnover. Unreal.
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post Sep 17 2017, 12:42 PM
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The OL killed that drive.
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post Sep 17 2017, 12:47 PM
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The secondary is dropping like flies
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post Sep 17 2017, 12:47 PM
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dupe
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post Sep 17 2017, 12:52 PM
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Another good series by the defense. Kendricks was great.
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post Sep 17 2017, 12:57 PM
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That is 2 catches Smith should have come down with. The Eagles need WRs to make plays. Especially in tight games like this one.
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Horrible drive. The OL is sill looking shaky at best.
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Andy with three timeouts in the two minute warning.

Let that last play run off 19 seconds off the clock to get down to the 2.00 mark.

Get yo popcorn ready!
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:01 PM) *
Horrible drive. The OL is sill looking shaky at best.

KC's pass rush is no joke. It's a tough matchup.
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Entering the 2 minute warning and not a timeout has been called? laugh.gif


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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 06:05 PM) *
KC's pass rush is no joke. It's a tough matchup.



They are good and I give them some credit but good offensive lines do not allow sacks on 3 man rushes.
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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 17 2017, 06:06 PM) *
Entering the 2 minute warning and not a timeout has been called? laugh.gif



This is a fast moving game.
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Clock running, it's 3rd down - let's let another 25 seconds run off the clock before calling timeout.

Vintage Andy! laugh.gif


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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:08 PM) *
They are good and I give them some credit but good offensive lines do not allow sacks on 3 man rushes.

I think the OL played too much in the preseason and are tired. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 17 2017, 06:09 PM) *
Clock running, it's 3rd down - let's let another 25 seconds run off the clock before calling timeout.

Vintage Andy! laugh.gif


He has never been good at clock management. This is a perfect example.
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Great defensive stand
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post Sep 17 2017, 01:12 PM
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AHHHH Sproles!

Anyone else on this team and I would be calling for their head.
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Sep 17 2017, 06:09 PM) *
I think the OL played too much in the preseason and are tired. rolleyes.gif


I think you may be on to something.
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post Sep 17 2017, 01:15 PM
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Great job by the D after the turnover. For that matter, great job in the first half.
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post Sep 17 2017, 01:22 PM
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So after 6 quarters of the 2017 season, I am still waiting for this offense to put together a solid drive. Hopefully in the 2nd half today.
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post Sep 17 2017, 01:24 PM
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Fucking Elliott.

A 30 yd FG is at least 90% shot.

Inexcusable.
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post Sep 17 2017, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:15 PM) *
Great job by the D after the turnover. For that matter, great job in the first half.

Schwartz has been excellent this year. I'm glad he's dialing up blitzes at what seems to be a much higher rate. Relying on the front-4 to consistently get pressure is just too much.
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I love how they are roughing up Smith.
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post Sep 17 2017, 01:27 PM
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I had a bad feeling on that field goal. It looked like it may have been a crappy hold, but no excuse to leave those points off the board.

At least Ertz not scoring allowed Andy to use his final timeout - he must have been itching to.


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post Sep 17 2017, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 06:25 PM) *
Schwartz has been excellent this year. I'm glad he's dialing up blitzes at what seems to be a much higher rate. Relying on the front-4 to consistently get pressure is just too much.


Agreed. The D is looking solid and Schwartz has done well. The 4 man approach is great because the secondary is not a strength of this team.
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post Sep 17 2017, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:29 PM) *
Agreed. The D is looking solid and Schwartz has done well. The 4 man approach is great because the secondary is not a strength of this team.

Which is why it's even more critical we get pressure. And well timed blitzes seem to be the best answer for that.
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post Sep 17 2017, 01:34 PM
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I still have some concerns about Wentz's accuracy down field. If you look at his stats today they look ok. If you take out the 53 bounce to Ertz, Wentz is 8/15 for 81 yards. That is not a good first half.
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:34 PM) *
I still have some concerns about Wentz's accuracy down field. If you look at his stats today they look ok. If you take out the 53 bounce to Ertz, Wentz is 8/15 for 81 yards. That is not a good first half.


He's going to put the ball up and give his WR's a chance to make a play. Smith had a couple tough chances and couldn't deliver, but I'd wager he'll get a big one in the 2nd half.


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post Sep 17 2017, 01:37 PM
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That is what I am looking for from Smith.
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post Sep 17 2017, 01:39 PM
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The run blocking looks a lot better with Sproles running this week then when Blount was running last week.
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Hit Agholar in the hand. The Eagle's WR have to come down with more of those types of passes.

I will say that we have not seen many easy catches dropped like last year. Most of the drops today were tough passes to catch.
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post Sep 17 2017, 01:41 PM
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Next offensive series, it's time for hurry up offense and maybe that gives a spark.
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:34 PM) *
I still have some concerns about Wentz's accuracy down field. If you look at his stats today they look ok. If you take out the 53 bounce to Ertz, Wentz is 8/15 for 81 yards. That is not a good first half.

Me too. Can't leave TDs on the field every week.
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post Sep 17 2017, 01:46 PM
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Another good series by the D. The pressure from the D line is keeping them in this game.
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Can't waste this D effort.

Run the hurry up!
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Sep 17 2017, 01:45 PM) *
Me too. Can't leave TDs on the field every week.

Which plays do you believe Wentz left on the field? I've seen three balls hit receivers in the hands. One in the end zone.

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Run the hurry up!


Or as it's known to Reid and Pederson, the '8 minute drill.'


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This should be a TD
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That was a great drive.

When I talk about methodical drives that are run as designed, that is what I am talking about. Wentz was comfortable in the pocket. Pederson called some runs at the right time. Sproles and Smallwood made good use of those carries. The offensive line did a good job.
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Nice drive!

Woo hoo !!
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 01:58 PM) *
That was a great drive.

When I talk about methodical drives that are run as designed, that is what I am talking about. Wentz was comfortable in the pocket. Pederson called some runs at the right time. Sproles and Smallwood made good use of those carries. The offensive line did a good job.

Yep. 71%. Just how they draw it up wink.gif
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Dammit
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 07:03 PM) *
Yep. 71%. Just how they draw it up wink.gif


Great. Show me the teams that pass for more than 60% over the course of a season. biggrin.gif

Sorry, edit to add, and win a Super Bowl
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Damn.

Where were the LB's?
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This game is really moving. 2 hours and 10 minutes since kick off and we have already ended the 3rd quarter.
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Sproles did a poor job picking up that block
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Hollins has had a few big catches in the 2nd half.
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That wasted timeout could end up biting us. No excuse for that.


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You cannot blame the OL for that drive stalling
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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 17 2017, 07:22 PM) *
That wasted timeout could end up biting us. No excuse for that.


Agreed. Kudos to Wentz for avoiding the delay of game but there is no excuse for not getting a play in on time.
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Big play by Douglas there.

We need a score on this drive.
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Now the Chiefs get the lucky bounce.

The deflections at the LOS have been an issue this year.
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Put Cox right over the new guy.
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That was a great play call by Reid.

The big difference in the game right now, the Chiefs capitalized on their lucky bounce. The Eagles did not.
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That was a great play call by Reid.

The big difference in the game right now, the Chiefs capitalized on their lucky bounce. The Eagles did not.

Yep.
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Time to see if Wentz can lead a team from behind.
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Not this drive.

1st Down - OL
2nd Down - Poor pass by Wentz
3rd Down - OL
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Even a FG here pretty much ends it
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Game, set and match.

To play with the big boys, you need to play better.

Not many who did the W-L drill had this one as a win.

Rest up and kick some tired (they are on a short week) NYG ass next week.

Defense was game, offense and ST were not.
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Team loss today.

The offense did not show up until the 2nd half and the defense went home during the 2nd half. There was one good drive by the offense today. Based on the first two games, this team has a long way to go to be a legit playoff team.

The OL needs a lot of work and Wentz needs to be more accurate when throwing downfield. Those are my two biggest concerns. The secondary is a concern as well.
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Why do announcers keep saying the OL has played well? The announcers said the same last week. They did not play well in either game.
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We lost on the road to one of the best teams in football. Nothing to be too upset about. At the end of the day, their pass rush came through and ours didn't.
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 03:03 PM) *
Why do announcers keep saying the OL has played well? The announcers said the same last week. They did not play well in either game.

They did until it became pass only in the 4 th qtr.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 03:04 PM) *
We lost on the road to one of the best teams in football. Nothing to be too upset about. At the end of the day, their pass rush came through and ours didn't.


^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 08:04 PM) *
We lost on the road to one of the best teams in football. Nothing to be too upset about. At the end of the day, their pass rush came through and ours didn't.


It was more than that. They missed an easy FG and the defense gave up a 53 yard run to Hunt. Smith dropped two critical passes that were catchable and Agholar dropped one as well. Like you, I give the KC DL a lot of credit today but that does not excuse the play of the OL. It is not often that a quality OL gives up 6 sacks.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 03:04 PM) *
We lost on the road to one of the best teams in football. Nothing to be too upset about. At the end of the day, their pass rush came through and ours didn't.

Not quite. They were rushing our QB when we had to pass, down in the game, by as much as two TD's. Our DL rushed with a balanced offense still a possibility.
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Sep 17 2017, 08:06 PM) *
They did until it became pass only in the 4 th qtr.



Look upthread. I was complaining about the OL in the 1st half and I complained about them last week. They have not put in a good performance yet this season.
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It was more than that. They missed an easy FG and the defense gave up a 53 yard run to Hunt. Smith dropped two critical passes that were catchable and Agholar dropped one as well. Like you, I give the KC DL a lot of credit today but that does not excuse the play of the OL. It is not often that a quality OL gives up 6 sacks.

Sure. We made mistakes. But the missed field goal came after a fluke play. Hunt is good and receivers drop passes.

At the end of the day, they are a slightly better team and were playing in their advantageous home environment.

We lost the turnover battle and lost the special teams battle.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 08:24 PM) *
Sure. We made mistakes. But the missed field goal came after a fluke play. Hunt is good and receivers drop passes.

At the end of the day, they are a slightly better team and were playing in their advantageous home environment.

We lost the turnover battle and lost the special teams battle.


I think KC is a much better team at this point. Look at the FG you sited above. The Eagles blow a chip shot FG after a fluke. The Chiefs took the same type of lucky bounce and turned it into seven. That is what playoff caliber teams do. The Chiefs have a significant home field advantage so there is that.

The Eagles are not on the same level as the Chiefs yet, for the reasons I pointed out above. Wentz needs to develop more accuracy downfield. The OL cannot give up 6 sacks in a game, I don't care how good the opposing DL is. The last item, even though it was not much of a factor today, is the Eagles secondary. That situation is just waiting to bite us in the ass.
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My heart stopped on the onside kick, I thought for a second Burton was going to take it to the house. On the replay Thomas was there behind the play, but Burton is a pretty big dude who would've had momentum, and Thomas isn't much bigger than Sproles.

At least they made the last minute interesting. Glad to see Agholor decided to contribute at the end, continuing his path to Canton.


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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 04:30 PM) *
I think KC is a much better team at this point. Look at the FG you sited above. The Eagles blow a chip shot FG after a fluke. The Chiefs took the same type of lucky bounce and turned it into seven. That is what playoff caliber teams do. The Chiefs have a significant home field advantage so there is that.

The Eagles are not on the same level as the Chiefs yet, for the reasons I pointed out above. Wentz needs to develop more accuracy downfield. The OL cannot give up 6 sacks in a game, I don't care how good the opposing DL is. The last item, even though it was not much of a factor today, is the Eagles secondary. That situation is just waiting to bite us in the ass.

KC is a more experienced team with deeper talent. I think that's much different than saying they're a much better team. There's a lot of promise with this team, and they proved it today.
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QUOTE (The Franchise @ Sep 17 2017, 08:32 PM) *
My heart stopped on the onside kick, I thought for a second Burton was going to take it to the house. On the replay Thomas was there behind the play, but Burton is a pretty big dude who would've had momentum, and Thomas isn't much bigger than Sproles.

At least they made the last minute interesting. Glad to see Agholor decided to contribute at the end.



He could not take it to the house. By rule, you cannot advance an onside kick.
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 03:30 PM) *
I think KC is a much better team at this point. Look at the FG you sited above. The Eagles blow a chip shot FG after a fluke.

I mean, we did roll out a rookie kicker making his first ever kicks. An unfortunate reality.
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Probably the closest thing to a college atmosphere in the NFL.
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The Eagles are not on the same level as the Chiefs yet, for the reasons I pointed out above. Wentz needs to develop more accuracy downfield. The OL cannot give up 6 sacks in a game, I don't care how good the opposing DL is. The last item, even though it was not much of a factor today, is the Eagles secondary. That situation is just waiting to bite us in the ass.

By the end of the game, the Chiefs were pinning their ears back. We were fine for three quarters. You can't expect perfection.

We had a chance and the better team won in the end.
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 03:34 PM) *
He could not take it to the house. By rule, you cannot advance an onside kick.


I thought if the opposing team touches it then you can. Just looked it up, they have to actually possess the ball then fumble. Oh well.


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QUOTE (Zero @ Sep 17 2017, 08:33 PM) *
KC is a more experienced team with deeper talent. I think that's much different than saying they're a much better team. There's a lot of promise with this team, and they proved it today.



I agree the Eagles have promise but they are a work in progress. I do not expect them to make the playoffs this season. If they somehow do, I don't think they go very deep. I hope I am wrong.

Give this team another year or two. Fix the OL, hope that Darby and Jones solidify the CB position and Wentz works on his accuracy downfield. I really if those 3 items are addressed this team turns into a legit SB challenger.
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QUOTE (CT_Eagle @ Sep 17 2017, 04:38 PM) *
I agree the Eagles have promise but they are a work in progress. I do not expect them to make the playoffs this season. If they somehow do, I don't think they go very deep. I hope I am wrong.

Give this team another year or two. Fix the OL, hope that Darby and Jones solidify the CB position and Wentz works on his accuracy downfield. I really if those 3 items are addressed this team turns into a legit SB challenger.

Yes, they're a work in progress but they lost two starting DBs today after losing one last week. Their kicker is on IR and they used a rookie. They played a team to the last second that is expected to be a solid challenger for the Super Bowl. I'm confused why you wouldn't have hopes for postseason play after the first two games.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 08:35 PM) *
I mean, we did roll out a rookie kicker making his first ever kicks. An unfortunate reality.

Probably the closest thing to a college atmosphere in the NFL.

By the end of the game, the Chiefs were pinning their ears back. We were fine for three quarters. You can't expect perfection.

We had a chance and the better team won in the end.


It was 7 yards longer than an extra point. It was a missed opportunity.

I disagree that the Eagles were fine for 3 quarters, at least the offense. The defense was good for 3 quarters. Not the offense. They scored 3 points in the first half. That is not fine. What offense is considered fine if they average 6 points a game? That is the pace that the offense was on during the first half. The Chiefs had 6 points after the first half and they were not fine at that point of the game either.

Agreed. We had a chance coming out at halftime. I also agree that the better team won today. The Eagles are still a work in progress. This is not their year.
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Yes, they're a work in progress but they lost two starting DBs today after losing one last week. Their kicker is on IR and they used a rookie. They played a team to the last second that is expected to be a solid challenger for the Super Bowl. I'm confused why you wouldn't have hopes for postseason play after the first two games.


Even with being down the two DBs, plus Darby last week, the secondary was not the problem today.

The kicker missed a slightly longer than an extra point FG today. In the end, that was a missed opportunity but it did not really have a direct impact on the game.

With regards to the playoffs, it is just an opinion at this point. They have not played playoff caliber football so far. It is only two games but those two games are all we have to go on. It could be that the OL gets better as the season rolls on. Same as Wentz's downfield accuracy. My opinion is based solely on the two games we have played so far.
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I'm confused why you wouldn't have hopes for postseason play after the first two games.


This is a playoff caliber team, just not a legit contender yet. That could change over the course of the season.


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It was 7 yards longer than an extra point. It was a missed opportunity.


If it was a guy that we went into the season with and was in our long-term plans, I'd get more worked up over it.

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I disagree that the Eagles were fine for 3 quarters, at least the offense. The defense was good for 3 quarters. Not the offense. They scored 3 points in the first half. That is not fine. What offense is considered fine if they average 6 points a game? That is the pace that the offense was on during the first half. The Chiefs had 6 points after the first half and they were not fine at that point of the game either.

Games are two halves. Sometimes it takes a bit to feel out your opponent. It doesn't work that you just double the results of one half.

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Agreed. We had a chance coming out at halftime. I also agree that the better team won today. The Eagles are still a work in progress. This is not their year.

That same team just went into Foxboro and banged up on the defending champs. I'd be wary of making too many declarations two weeks into the season.
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They have not played playoff caliber football so far.

They just played a SB hopeful to the last second. What should we call playoff caliber football? They have a lot of growing to do but they've just played two tough teams and played them well.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 17 2017, 08:58 PM) *
If it was a guy that we went into the season with and was in our long-term plans, I'd get more worked up over it.


Games are two halves. Sometimes it takes a bit to feel out your opponent. It doesn't work that you just double the results of one half.


That same team just went into Foxboro and banged up on the defending champs. I'd be wary of making too many declarations two weeks into the season.


Whether he was our plan A or not is irrelevant. It was still a missed opportunity. I does not matter which kicker blew the opportunity.

With regards to the two halves, no kidding. It does not change the fact that scoring 6 points in 30 minutes of football is never considered fine. It is a poor half of football by any measure.

I already gave the Chiefs credit in numerous posts today. I have also stated that they we are not on their level yet. Is there something that I just stated that you disagree with? I have also stated in a previous post that I realize it is only two weeks into the seasons so I don't get why you are bringing it up again other than you are looking for another argument. I am not interested.
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They just played a SB hopeful to the last second. What should we call playoff caliber football? They have a lot of growing to do but they've just played two tough teams and played them well.


Not sure I would call Was a tough team, although they are a divisional rival and those games are normally tough, regardless of the talent involved.

To me, you can start to define playoff caliber football by having an offense that can consistently put together offensive drives that do not require your offense to be bailed out by your QB scrambling around and making crazy plays. Or by being bailed out by defensive penalties. The Eagles have had one such drive this season. They need to demonstrate that they can have 2 or 3 of those types of drives per game before we should consider them a legit playoff team. It is only two games. They could very well get to that level this season but we have not seen it yet. That is all that I am saying.
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Whether he was our plan A or not is irrelevant. It was still a missed opportunity. I does not matter which kicker blew the opportunity.

Sure it's relevant. Because having a guy that can't make gimme field goals isn't in our long-term plans. So it has no bearing on the readiness of our team to compete this year. I would not be surprised to see competition brought in this week.

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With regards to the two halves, no kidding. It does not change the fact that scoring 6 points in 30 minutes of football is never considered fine. It is a poor half of football by any measure.

If the other team puts up a comparable score, then it's possible that it was a product of the game flow. Especially when considering that both pass rushes were excellent in the first half. Sometimes good defense can outperform good offense. It's not simply black and white.

Players and playcallers are likely to be more risk adverse in an even matchup. The result may be a low score that isn't the result of poor play.

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I already gave the Chiefs credit in numerous posts today. I have also stated that they we are not on their level yet. Is there something that I just stated that you disagree with? I have also stated in a previous post that I realize it is only two weeks into the seasons so I don't get why you are bringing it up again other than you are looking for another argument. I am not interested.

I disagree with lots of it.
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Sure it's relevant. Because having a guy that can't make gimme field goals isn't in our long-term plans. So it has no bearing on the readiness of our team to compete this year. I would not be surprised to see competition brought in this week.


If the other team puts up a comparable score, then it's possible that it was a product of the game flow. Especially when considering that both pass rushes were excellent in the first half. Sometimes good defense can outperform good offense. It's not simply black and white.

Players and playcallers are likely to be more risk adverse in an even matchup. The result may be a low score that isn't the result of poor play.


I disagree with lots of it.


He is our kicker for at least the next 5 weeks and he has no bearing on this team's ability to compete this year? Besides, what does that have to do with my point that it was a missed opportunity? Stop arguing about things I did not mention. Either you think the Eagles missed an opportunity for 3 points there or you do not.

Agreed and the game flow was a result of two defenses playing very well and two offenses not playing well. In other words, neither offense was "fine" during the first half. If you want to describe a unit as having a fine half, you would be better off pointing to the Eagle's and Chief's first half defenses than either of the offenses. The defenses did their job in the first half, not the offenses.
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He is our kicker for at least the next 5 weeks and he has no bearing on this team's ability to compete this year?

How do you know this?

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Besides, what does that have to do with my point that it was a missed opportunity? Stop arguing about things I did not mention. Either you think the Eagles missed an opportunity for 3 points there or you do not.

How about this. I don't think the Eagles should have had an opportunity for three points there, so I'm not gonna get my panties in a knot over it.

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Agreed and the game flow was a result of two defenses playing very well and two offenses not playing well. In other words, neither offense was "fine" during the first half. If you want to describe a unit as having a fine half, you would be better off pointing to the Eagle's and Chief's first half defenses than either of the offenses. The defenses did their job in the first half, not the offenses.

So to be clear, there is no scenario in which both a team's offense and an opponent's defense can both play well at the same time? It's an either/or situation always?

We had 27 first downs on the day. That would lead the league basically every year. We weren't great, but we had a nice day against a good defense in a hostile environment.
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How do you know this?


How about this. I don't think the Eagles should have had an opportunity for three points there, so I'm not gonna get my panties in a knot over it.


So to be clear, there is no scenario in which both a team's offense and an opponent's defense can both play well at the same time? It's an either/or situation always?

We had 27 first downs on the day. That would lead the league basically every year. We weren't great, but we had a nice day against a good defense in a hostile environment.


Sturgis is on the IR and will not be back until week 8 or 9. I cannot remember which. So we are stuck with Elliot or another fill in. I don't think today's miss will cost Elliot his job but it could.

Whether you think they should have an opportunity or not is immaterial. They had an opportunity and failed to convert. Which, once again, is all I said. The fact that you cannot acknowledge this simple concept is telling. Do with your panties what you will.

Sure but today was not one of those days. Today the defenses had good days at the expense of the offenses. Take all your thoughts about the early flow of the game aside and think about how often an offense plays well and only scores 3 or 6 points in 30 minutes. The whole purpose of an offense is to put points on the board. When an offense does not do that over 30 minutes of football, they are falling at the most important task assigned to them.

How may points are first downs worth? And now you are moving the goal posts. First it was a "fine" half, now it is a "nice" day. Why didn't you say so to start with? Apparently the difference between a fine first half and a nice day is 6 points in the first half coupled with 14 points in the 2nd half.
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Sure but today was not one of those days. Today the defenses had good days at the expense of the offenses.

Says you.
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Take all your thoughts about the early flow of the game aside and think about how often an offense plays well and only scores 3 or 6 points in 30 minutes.

Why would I put aside the game flow? We only had three full drives in the first half because both offenses had sustained drives that used up a lot of clock. Both defenses had timely stops resulting few points. But there is value in a drive that can keep the opponents offense off the field.

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The whole purpose of an offense is to put points on the board. When an offense does not do that over 30 minutes of football, they are falling at the most important task assigned to them.

The goal is to score points. But having sustained drives that flip field position are not unsuccessful. Especially against a quality defense.

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How may points are first downs worth? And now you are moving the goal posts. First it was a "fine" half, now it is a "nice" day. Why didn't you say so to start with? Apparently the difference between a fine first half and a nice day is 6 points in the first half coupled with 14 points in the 2nd half.

I think both things can be true. It was a fine first half and overall a nice day against a quality opponent in a hostile environment.
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