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- bigmike1   Victory is sweet   Feb 11 2012, 12:57 PM
- - Dreagon   I think if this past victory of yall's served ...   Feb 11 2012, 01:44 PM
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- - Phits   Congrats on a good championship run. Unseating th...   Feb 11 2012, 07:13 PM
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post Feb 11 2012, 12:57 PM
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Im not even going to troll. I just want to know how you guys feel. Right now the Giants are the champs and the dream team was a nightmare this season.

You guys still worry me the most in the NFC east though. But as long as we got Eli we should be fine =)
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I think if this past victory of yall's served any higher purpose it was to demonstrate that,while Brady is a great QB, he is NOT great on the level of Montana...or possibly Unitas. Once his uniform gets dirty, he doesn't play near as well...and Montana accomplished a lot of his greatest victories with a dirty uniform.
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Im not even going to troll


Then don't - go fuck your sister like most Giants fans are doing right now.


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Then don't - go fuck your sister like most Giants fans are doing right now.


Lol looks like someone needs a hug
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Lol looks like someone needs a hug

Lol looks like someone needs a life.

Your team wins the super bowl and whatta you do? Go to disneyland? Go to a parade in NYC? Celebrate with friends? No. You got a rival teams message board to brag.

Yup ... Someone needs a life.

Here's a hint.

Start with a single friend, a dog perhaps? Then move on from there to actual human contact.


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Congrats on a good championship run. Unseating the "Mighty Patriots" not once but twice (in the last 4 seasons)....not an easy feat. I was most certainly rooting against your team, but can swallow my pride long enough to say that I am jealous. At this rate, under this regime, I am not likely to know the euphoria of watching my team hoist the Lombardi once....let alone multiple times.

Good on ya'

Now go bury yourself, you scum sucking......... cheers.gif

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Im not even going to troll. I just want to know how you guys feel. Right now the Giants are the champs and the dream team was a nightmare this season.

You guys still worry me the most in the NFC east though. But as long as we got Eli we should be fine =)



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Start with a single friend, a dog perhaps?

I'll file complaints with PETA and American Humane Association if that happens.


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post Feb 12 2012, 08:17 AM
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Typical Giants fan. Probably didn't watch one game until (maybe) the Jets game. Then, all of a sudden, started wearing a Giants' shirt, posted, "Let's go Big Blue," on their FB page after every status update...Off to dinner...Let's go Big Blue!

Actually, probably started the season as a Jets' fan then, when it was obvious his team wasn't doing anything, he decided to root for the other NY team.

Go hang with your other loser Giants' fans....
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QUOTE (bigmike1 @ Feb 11 2012, 12:57 PM) *
Im not even going to troll. I just want to know how you guys feel. Right now the Giants are the champs and the dream team was a nightmare this season.

You guys still worry me the most in the NFC east though. But as long as we got Eli we should be fine =)


You mean as long as the opposing star TE is injured, all of the opposing receivers drop ridiculous amounts of passes and every call goes your way, you'll be fine.

Brady played fine, his receivers were garbage and their secondary blows.


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Brady played fine, his receivers were garbage and their secondary blows.


Brady played two games. He was a precision instrument for the first half, and the first half of the third quarter...then Justin Tuck finally sacked him and he became a different quarterback. He became a lot more aware of the pressure, and his receivers were starting to have to become acrobats for some of those balls.
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I don't deny that the Giants got red-hot to end the year, and they deserved the championship.

At the same time, I don't think it informs too much as far as the divisional race next year. It still looks like it was going into the last week of the season: a three-way battle between the Giants, Cowboys, and Eagles, with Washington in it also if they can find a QB. The division is not as lopsidedly guaranteed to go to the Giants as their fans are assuming it will be.


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QUOTE (TGryn @ Feb 12 2012, 03:45 PM) *
At the same time, I don't think it informs too much as far as the divisional race next year. It still looks like it was going into the last week of the season: a three-way battle between the Giants, Cowboys, and Eagles, with Washington in it also if they can find a QB. The division is not as lopsidedly guaranteed to go to the Giants as their fans are assuming it will be.


Good point.
It's not as if the Super Bowl Champs actually dominated in their division. Heck, they needed Miles Austin to blow an easy catch to even make it into the playoffs. They were still a 9-7 team, who could have just as easily been a 7-9 team...and they could just as easily not win the division, or even make the playoffs next year. The NFC East is very close.
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QUOTE (Dreagon @ Feb 12 2012, 06:17 PM) *
Good point.
It's not as if the Super Bowl Champs actually dominated in their division. Heck, they needed Miles Austin to blow an easy catch to even make it into the playoffs. They were still a 9-7 team, who could have just as easily been a 7-9 team...and they could just as easily not win the division, or even make the playoffs next year. The NFC East is very close.

Giants are built to win. Winning the division is an after thought. All this division talk is moot when you can`t compete against the best of the best. The «gnats do that better than every other team in the division.


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QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 12 2012, 08:17 PM) *
Giants are built to win. Winning the division is an after thought. All this division talk is moot when you can`t compete against the best of the best. The «gnats do that better than every other team in the division.


I wouldn't go so far as to say winning the division is an "after thought". You have to make it to the playoffs before you can get hot in them.
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QUOTE (Dreagon @ Feb 12 2012, 10:46 PM) *
I wouldn't go so far as to say winning the division is an "after thought". You have to make it to the playoffs before you can get hot in them.

you don't have to win the division to make the play-offs. andy reid has 6 divisional titles and 0 SB championships.

I know it's disappointing to know that the superbowl champion are your regular season b*tches. it makes you think that 'well we beat them, we could have won the "stupid bowl". too bad it doesn't work that way.


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QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 12 2012, 10:58 PM) *
you don't have to win the division to make the play-offs. andy reid has 6 divisional titles and 0 SB championships.

I know it's disappointing to know that the superbowl champion are your regular season b*tches. it makes you think that 'well we beat them, we could have won the "stupid bowl". too bad it doesn't work that way.

Either way, winning the division is not an, "afterthought," for ANY team. Relying on (maybe) making it as a Wildcard team is stupid (at best) and is just not something a team goes into training camp planning to do (on any level). You think the Giants would have won the SB this year as a Wildcard team? Oh wait, the Wildcard didn't come from the NFC East. The Giants HAD to win the division to get in.

When you play most of your schedule against division opponents, a large part of building the team is for beating the division teams. There is no way of getting around that.
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QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 12 2012, 09:17 PM) *
Giants are built to win


They're well coached and built to ride a hot streak as they've done twice now, but they also had a lot of help along the way. SanFran, more specifically that one invalid, literally handed them a ticket to the superbowl, they should've wont that game with relative ease. As mentioned Miles Austin helped do the same, as well as Welker.

Maybe it's one of those things that when you're hot, the bounces all go your way.


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QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 13 2012, 09:08 AM) *
You think the Giants would have won the SB this year as a Wildcard team?


Sure why not, that's how they did it the last time.


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QUOTE (HOUSEoPAIN @ Feb 13 2012, 10:03 AM) *
They're well coached and built to ride a hot streak as they've done twice now, but they also had a lot of help along the way. SanFran, more specifically that one invalid, literally handed them a ticket to the superbowl, they should've wont that game with relative ease. As mentioned Miles Austin helped do the same, as well as Welker.

Maybe it's one of those things that when you're hot, the bounces all go your way.

They say you can't win it all without some luck. However, you still have to play and win...and beating Atlanta, Green Bay, San Fran, New England is no short order.


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QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 13 2012, 11:12 AM) *
Sure why not, that's how they did it the last time.

You missed my point. This year they wouldn't have. 9-7 wouldn't get you in as a Wildcard team.

To pooh pooh winning the division just makes no sense. Is it vital? Not always but it was for the Giants this season. Otherwise, they would have been sitting and watching the playoffs like the Eagles did.
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QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 13 2012, 05:33 PM) *
You missed my point.

i didn't miss your point at all. i just don't share your opinion.


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QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 13 2012, 06:56 PM) *
i didn't miss your point at all. i just don't share your opinion.

My opinion that had the Giants not won the division they could not have won the SB this year? That's not an opinion, that's a fact. They wouldn't have been a Wildcard team due to their lackluster record so they would not have been in the playoffs to get hot during them.
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QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 13 2012, 11:12 AM) *
Sure why not, that's how they did it the last time.


THIS year. How they did it last time means jack shit if 9-7 doesn't get you a WC spot THIS season.

Is this concept really that hard to comprehend? Had the division not been garbage, they would've never had the chance to play ATL, GB, SF and NE because they suck in the regular season.


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QUOTE (Clamdigger @ Feb 14 2012, 09:05 AM) *
THIS year. How they did it last time means jack shit if 9-7 doesn't get you a WC spot THIS season.

Is this concept really that hard to comprehend? Had the division not been garbage, they would've never had the chance to play ATL, GB, SF and NE because they suck in the regular season.



originally the question as to whether the Giants could have won a SB with a wildcard spot was asked....having done it before proves they could have.

being unable to make the wildcard this year due to their mediocre record is another point entirely


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QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 14 2012, 06:41 AM) *
My opinion that had the Giants not won the division they could not have won the SB this year? That's not an opinion, that's a fact. They wouldn't have been a Wildcard team due to their lackluster record so they would not have been in the playoffs to get hot during them.

You didn't ask whether 9-7 would get them in as a wildcard. You questioned whether they could win it all as a wildcard team. The question of opinion is whether the Gnats are geared towards winning the division. I suggested that they are more focussed on winning it all rather than the division (opinion). you feel that a team should focus on the division title because relying on a wildcard berth is "stupid" (opinion)

You see, 2 different 'opinions'

**It should be noted that the record to earn a wildcard spot is usually less than that of the NFC East winner. Traditionally it is easier to get into the post season as a wildcard than as the NFC division winner.


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QUOTE (BirdsWinBaby @ Feb 14 2012, 09:55 AM) *
originally the question as to whether the Giants could have won a SB with a wildcard spot was asked....having done it before proves they could have.

being unable to make the wildcard this year due to their mediocre record is another point entirely

No, it's not another point, that was exactly the point I was making (I was the one who asked).
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QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 14 2012, 01:17 PM) *
You didn't ask whether 9-7 would get them in as a wildcard. You questioned whether they could win it all as a wildcard team. The question of opinion is whether the Gnats are geared towards winning the division. I suggested that they are more focussed on winning it all rather than the division (opinion). you feel that a team should focus on the division title because relying on a wildcard berth is "stupid" (opinion)

You see, 2 different 'opinions'

**It should be noted that the record to earn a wildcard spot is usually less than that of the NFC East winner. Traditionally it is easier to get into the post season as a wildcard than as the NFC division winner.

I think you need to go back and read my comments again. I was talking about this past season, making the point that they would NOT have been able to win it as the WC team because, with their 9-7 record, they wouldn't have BEEN the WC team. You mentioned they aren't concerned with winning the division (I'm paraphrasing here) and I was merely pointing out how, if they HADN'T won the division, they would have never had the opportunity to make the run in the playoffs. That is not an opinion, that is a fact based on this past season (what I'm talking about).

And I never said anything about whether they're geared towards winning. EVERY team is built to win, some just do it better than others. All I've said--and still say--is to say teams aren't trying to win their division--or shouldn't try--makes absolutely no sense at all. I doubt very seriously any coaches on any team start off the season by saying, "We don't care about winning the division, we'll shoot for the WC spot and play like mad men in the playoffs to win the SB." ALL teams work to win the division first, home field advantage second, NFC/AFC title 3rd and SB 3rd (in that order). Do you HAVE to do all of those things in order to win the SB? Obviously not. But I ASSURE you, that's EVERY team's goals going into a season.
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QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 14 2012, 04:10 PM) *
But I ASSURE you, that's EVERY team's goals going into a season.

in your opinion.


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QUOTE (Rick @ Feb 13 2012, 09:08 AM) *
Either way, winning the division is not an, "afterthought," for ANY team.

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QUOTE (Phits @ Feb 14 2012, 07:46 PM) *
in your opinion.

Uh, not opinion. Enough videos of coaches talking with their staff and their team before the season has them discussing exactly this...winning the division first. I've NEVER seen a staff saying, "Ok, we're shooting to win the WC spot this year then we'll kick butt in the playoffs..."

This is no opinion...
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Phits:

While I sort of understand what you're thinking (I believe)--that's it's not necessary to win your division to do well in the playoffs (and I agree with this)--I really have no idea where you get this notion that teams (like the Giants) come into ANY season shooting for a WC spot and not to win the division. I have no idea how you can think beating divisional teams is not important. In the NFC East, 6 games are played against divisional opponents. If you don't think winning some of those 6 games is important, then I really don't know what else to say to you. I'm not saying it's mandatory to beat your divisional opponents (as evidenced by many teams and the Eagles did well in the division this past season to no avail), however, it is ABSOLUTELY something teams coach to. Again, this is not opinion nor speculation, read the quotes from the teams as they build for upcoming seasons. You'll hear many mentions of doing just this. Things like, "We need to play better within our division, " or, "This guy we picked up should do well against (whomever is the 800 pound gorilla in the division)."

There is PLENTY of evidence showing teams are working to win their division first so they can be assured to make the playoffs. I've seen NO evidence of a team--ANY team--going into a season and striving to win the WC. Sure, during the season a team may have to restate their goal because they're way back in the divisional race but they aren't going into the season with a goal any lower than winning the division. Again, this is not an opinion.

Now, as I said, I agree that a team seems to be no more (or less) likely to do well in the playoffs if they win their division. But they are still trying to win their division.
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Bottom line is that the only way to guarantee a spot in the playoffs is to win your division. So every team is aiming for that division title until it is mathematically impossible.

The wild card is a possible consolation if you can't achieve that goal, but there are no guarantees and the WC route of three road games with no bye is harder than having at least one home game as a division winner before going on the road.


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post Feb 16 2012, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE (Eyrie @ Feb 15 2012, 01:55 PM) *
Bottom line is that the only way to guarantee a spot in the playoffs is to win your division. So every team is aiming for that division title until it is mathematically impossible.

The wild card is a possible consolation if you can't achieve that goal, but there are no guarantees and the WC route of three road games with no bye is harder than having at least one home game as a division winner before going on the road.

Exactly...
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post Feb 19 2012, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE (bigmike1 @ Feb 11 2012, 09:57 AM) *
Im not even going to troll. I just want to know how you guys feel. Right now the Giants are the champs and the dream team was a nightmare this season.

You guys still worry me the most in the NFC east though. But as long as we got Eli we should be fine =)


Man gtfo of here. Eli is wack and so is the rest of your team. FUCK- THA- GI- NAS! *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*
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