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post Jan 30 2012, 09:26 PM
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He's easily the best coach in the division and probably the best HC in the conference....but is he HOF worthy?
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The 2 best coaches in the league going head to head in the SB..... **sigh**


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post Jan 30 2012, 10:28 PM
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Well, if he adds another Lombardi to his resume he will be surefire candidate. Yet it always seems like he gets his team up for a Super Bowl when they're just getting ready to fire him.
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post Jan 31 2012, 06:32 AM
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Lets not get ahead of ourselves. As of today, he still only has one Lombardi trophy to his name (one less than Shanahan) and the same number of Super Bowl appearances as Reid, and his W-L record is only 0.555, which puts him behind both Reid and Shanahan. It would require at least three, preferably 4+, Lombardis to get HoF consideration in my book.
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post Jan 31 2012, 10:36 AM
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Yet there are some here that say Reid is HOF worthy with just 1 SB win huh.gif


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post Jan 31 2012, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE (TGryn @ Jan 31 2012, 06:32 AM) *
Lets not get ahead of ourselves. As of today, he still only has one Lombardi trophy to his name (one less than Shanahan) and the same number of Super Bowl appearances as Reid, and his W-L record is only 0.555, which puts him behind both Reid and Shanahan. It would require at least three, preferably 4+, Lombardis to get HoF consideration in my book.

3-4 Lombardi's to even get consideration?? Don't let your hatred for the Giants cloud your judgement. Shanahan is not the coach he once was, and Reid's best days seem to be behind him.


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post Jan 31 2012, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE (Phits @ Jan 31 2012, 08:39 AM) *
3-4 Lombardi's to even get consideration?? Don't let your hatred for the Giants cloud your judgement. Shanahan is not the coach he once was, and Reid's best days seem to be behind him.

There's 21 total coaches in the HoF:
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With few exceptions, you have to have won the championship multiple times and/or had decades-long periods of sustained success AND have introduced some innovation into the game to make it into the HoF as a coach. To cite an example, Jimmy Johnson also has two Lombardis but he's a marginal HoF candidate at best.

EDIT: Coughlin deserves a lot of credit for being able to adapt his coaching style to what NFL players require - the disciplinarian tactics that worked at BC eventually failed in Jacksonville and were failing with the Giants, so he changed and that's when they started winning. However, that doesn't make one a HoF level coach, either.
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post Jan 31 2012, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE (Phits @ Jan 31 2012, 03:26 AM) *
He's easily the best coach in the division and probably the best HC in the conference....but is he HOF worthy?



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The 2 best coaches in the league going head to head in the SB..... **sigh**

WIth a win on Sunday, I'd say "yes."

That said, his team has done nearly as many late season swoons as the cowgirls under Tom's regime. He's had 2 stellar years, but has often seemed on the verge of losing his team during the Kiki Barbara and Gap Toothed Strahan days.

To his credit, he softened his former drill sarg. approach and won back his players.

I think the Vagiants success when compared with our lack of the same has more to do with great personnel decisions and drafting than greater coaching.



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post Jan 31 2012, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (D Rock @ Jan 31 2012, 12:42 PM) *
I think the Vagiants success when compared with our lack of the same has more to do with great personnel decisions and drafting than greater coaching.

I think it's a combination of the 2. "Great" players only become great when they produce on the field. That usually happens when they get great coaching. The reincarnation of Jason Babin is a great example of such. Had he remained an Eagle with his first run, he probably wouldn't be the player he is today.

Coughlin plays to his teams strengths and the organization is great with developing their players.


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post Jan 31 2012, 06:09 PM
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What's the difference between a two Lombardi Coughlin and a two Lombardi Parcells?

Also, why is George Allen in the HOF? blink.gif
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post Jan 31 2012, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE (Sandor @ Jan 31 2012, 04:09 PM) *
What's the difference between a two Lombardi Coughlin and a two Lombardi Parcells?

In terms of the HoF, not much yet, since Parcells isn't in either (although he's made the final 15 list for this year). BP has about 50 more games under his belt and a slightly higher winning percentage (57% vs. 55.5%). From the HoF profile that's up for him, the selling point for him seems to be that he turned around four different losing teams.

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Also, why is George Allen in the HOF? blink.gif

Same reason Madden is in: extremely high regular season winning percentage. Among all coaches, Madden is 2nd highest (76.3%), Allen 4th (71.2%).
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post Feb 1 2012, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE (Sandor @ Jan 31 2012, 05:09 PM) *
What's the difference between a two Lombardi Coughlin and a two Lombardi Parcells?

Also, why is George Allen in the HOF? blink.gif


Two Lombardi Coughlin learned under two Lombardi Parcells. So did three Lombardi Belichek. Parcells has quite a legacy when you start adding it all up.
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post Feb 1 2012, 11:36 AM
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He's also a huge douche.

-just saying-



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post Feb 4 2012, 11:14 PM
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Pat Kirwan at nfl.com thinks that with a win tomorrow, Coughlin deserves to get into the HoF.

Parcells did not make it this year.
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post Feb 5 2012, 09:02 AM
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QUOTE (D Rock @ Feb 1 2012, 11:36 AM) *
He's also a huge douche.

-just saying-

LMAO!!!!
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