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- nephillymike   Don't Worry, About A Thing. Cause Every Little Thing   Feb 11 2018, 09:42 PM
- - eagle60   QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 11 2018, 09:42 ...   Feb 11 2018, 09:59 PM
- - Joegrane   OTC says $6mil in savings if they release Ken...   Feb 11 2018, 11:22 PM
- - nephillymike   Extensions may not be that possible without deeper...   Feb 11 2018, 11:43 PM
|- - eagle60   QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 11 2018, 11:43 ...   Feb 12 2018, 12:25 AM
|- - nephillymike   QUOTE (eagle60 @ Feb 12 2018, 12:25 AM) T...   Feb 12 2018, 06:14 AM
- - One   Did Mikey Numbers account for rollover? Is there ...   Feb 12 2018, 07:30 AM
|- - Joegrane   I assume they used up most of their cap this year ...   Feb 12 2018, 10:41 AM
|- - Eyrie   QUOTE (One @ Feb 12 2018, 12:30 PM) Did M...   Feb 12 2018, 03:30 PM
||- - nephillymike   QUOTE (Eyrie @ Feb 12 2018, 03:30 PM) The...   Feb 12 2018, 07:27 PM
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||- - Joegrane   We like you better than Zero, but we still wish yo...   Feb 12 2018, 07:50 PM
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|- - nephillymike   QUOTE (One @ Feb 12 2018, 07:30 AM) Did M...   Feb 12 2018, 07:24 PM
- - mcnabbulous   I think we resign Bradham. Everything other than t...   Feb 12 2018, 09:56 AM
- - nephillymike   QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 11 2018, 09:42 ...   Feb 19 2018, 07:59 PM
|- - eagle60   [quote name='nephillymike' date='Feb 1...   Feb 19 2018, 09:22 PM
- - nephillymike   So, I go on to SPOTRAC to find that somehow some w...   Feb 19 2018, 10:03 PM
- - nephillymike   Bump from a few weeks ago.   Mar 13 2018, 09:42 PM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (nephillymike @ Mar 13 2018, 10:42 ...   Mar 13 2018, 10:35 PM
|- - Phits   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Mar 13 2018, 10:35 P...   Mar 13 2018, 10:43 PM
|- - Joegrane   If the cap is not an issue then why are Bradham an...   Mar 13 2018, 10:58 PM
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- - samaroo   Agreed, Phits. It's not about signing everybo...   Mar 13 2018, 11:54 PM
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Ok people, my preliminary offseason game plan.

Apologies for those who hate this stuff, but I have to do something Eagle related.

First statement is overall, we always find a way, and while we have the worst cap situation in the league, Howie will find a way to do some things. But, he will not be able to do everything. We have 53 players and 14 of our own free agents to consider.

How bad is our cap situation?

Pretty bad.

We are 4.9M over the cap, worst in the league, and the team in 31st place has 12M more than us. Yikes!

Our 4.9M over the cap has zero cap alloted for our own free agents. YIKES!

The draft pool of 4.6M is not considered in that with our pittence of a draft pool, we should be able to break even for cap as we will clear enough cap room by cuts to make room for ant draftees that make the team.

However, I think there is a way back to a reasonable cap position.

1st - Foles is off the trading block until at least Wentz proves in training camp that he is 100%. Even with that, my inclination is to not trade him at all. The value of having our season still be alive if Wentz goes down is worth his salary.

Starting point (4.9)

Cap Cuts:
T. Smith + 5.0 -Nice guy but Hollins may even be an upgrade
Celek +4.0 (5.0- 1.0 dead $). Ask him to retire. Give him a coaching job if he wants
Kendricks + 4.4 - (7.6-3.2 dead $). He played half snaps of Hicks and Bradham
Warmack +1.1 ( 1.9-0.8 dead $). He can't play. Every Mill counts
Maragos + 1.5 ( 2.0-0.5 dead$). Good player. Can't afford luxury of having him
Subtotal before FA signing = +11.1M
FA Signings:
Bradham 4.0 ( 3 yrs with year one 4.0 cap hit S/b doable)
Burton 3.0 ( 4 yrscwith a year one cap hit of 3.0 s/b doable)
Sproles 1.4 ( I offerchim Vet Min of 1.0+ 0.4 SB, take it or leave it)
C. Graham 1.4 (same as Sproles)
Ellerbee 0.9 ( vet minimum like he got this year)
Total FA Signings (10.7M)
Net cap room = 0.4M

If need be, we can restructure B. Brooks contract by converting salary to signing bonus and we will pickup at least 4 M of cap. We could also trade or cut Kendricks after June 1st to gain another 1.6 of cap this year.

Thoughts on our other free agents :
Allen - very good backup but can't afford him. Time for Qualls and Vaeao to step up.
Robinson - exc CB but can't afford him. Time for Douglas and Jones to step up.
Blount - appreciate the year but can't afford to keep all RB. Smallwood/Sproles fill in.
Goode, Braman, Barner, Sturgis, Beatty - sorry guys, need to make room
Watkins - as a RFA, we could prob get him for 0.7 M if we choose.

Even with these guys going, we have an excellent team.

As far as the draft goes, we have six picks. With the first three picks (1st,4th,4th) I draft 2 LB and one OG in no specific order. The boards I checked out have 7-8 prospects at these positions within the first 128 picks of the draft. The others let the chips fall where the board takes us. I know we should go BPA at PON, and I assume there will be good prospects there.

No new FA. A dull FA period, but when you have the best roster, that's fine by me.


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post Feb 11 2018, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 11 2018, 09:42 PM) *
Ok people, my preliminary offseason game plan.

Apologies for those who hate this stuff, but I have to do something Eagle related.

First statement is overall, we always find a way, and while we have the worst cap situation in the league, Howie will find a way to do some things. But, he will not be able to do everything. We have 53 players and 14 of our own free agents to consider.

How bad is our cap situation?

Pretty bad.

We are 4.9M over the cap, worst in the league, and the team in 31st place has 12M more than us. Yikes!

Our 4.9M over the cap has zero cap alloted for our own free agents. YIKES!

The draft pool of 4.6M is not considered in that with our pittence of a draft pool, we should be able to break even for cap as we will clear enough cap room by cuts to make room for ant draftees that make the team.

However, I think there is a way back to a reasonable cap position.

1st - Foles is off the trading block until at least Wentz proves in training camp that he is 100%. Even with that, my inclination is to not trade him at all. The value of having our season still be alive if Wentz goes down is worth his salary.

Starting point (4.9)

Cap Cuts:
T. Smith + 5.0 -Nice guy but Hollins may even be an upgrade
Celek +4.0 (5.0- 1.0 dead $). Ask him to retire. Give him a coaching job if he wants
Kendricks + 4.4 - (7.6-3.2 dead $). He played half snaps of Hicks and Bradham
Warmack +1.1 ( 1.9-0.8 dead $). He can't play. Every Mill counts
Maragos + 1.5 ( 2.0-0.5 dead$). Good player. Can't afford luxury of having him
Subtotal before FA signing = +11.1M
FA Signings:
Bradham 4.0 ( 3 yrs with year one 4.0 cap hit S/b doable)
Burton 3.0 ( 4 yrscwith a year one cap hit of 3.0 s/b doable)
Sproles 1.4 ( I offerchim Vet Min of 1.0+ 0.4 SB, take it or leave it)
C. Graham 1.4 (same as Sproles)
Ellerbee 0.9 ( vet minimum like he got this year)
Total FA Signings (10.7M)
Net cap room = 0.4M

If need be, we can restructure B. Brooks contract by converting salary to signing bonus and we will pickup at least 4 M of cap. We could also trade or cut Kendricks after June 1st to gain another 1.6 of cap this year.

Thoughts on our other free agents :
Allen - very good backup but can't afford him. Time for Qualls and Vaeao to step up.
Robinson - exc CB but can't afford him. Time for Douglas and Jones to step up.
Blount - appreciate the year but can't afford to keep all RB. Smallwood/Sproles fill in.
Goode, Braman, Barner, Sturgis, Beatty - sorry guys, need to make room
Watkins - as a RFA, we could prob get him for 0.7 M if we choose.

Even with these guys going, we have an excellent team.

As far as the draft goes, we have six picks. With the first three picks (1st,4th,4th) I draft 2 LB and one OG in no specific order. The boards I checked out have 7-8 prospects at these positions within the first 128 picks of the draft. The others let the chips fall where the board takes us. I know we should go BPA at PON, and I assume there will be good prospects there.

No new FA. A dull FA period, but when you have the best roster, that's fine by me.



I like your plan a lot Mike! I think that Clement is a rising star though and will give us more than Sproles can coming off the injury. Also, can we trust Hicks to be able to stay on the field? He couldn't even stay healthy in college. Somehow, someway we have to keep Bradham!
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OTC says $6mil in savings if they release Kendricks after Jn 1.

If Foles gets an opportunity he likes, and someone offers fair compensation, the Eagles won't hold onto him. Just get used to the idea that he's gone. If he's traded after Jn 1 that's 6+ mil in savings.

I don't expect Sproles and Ellerby to be back. They may draft a RB in the middle rounds but they also have Smallwood who looked improved before injury and Pumphrey.

Not sure about Graham vs Watkins at S. Will R Douglass learn to also play S in order to get more PT, somewhat like Watkins has. I like Douglass.

You did not mention extensions. Howie is not likely to let most of the following get to free agency a year from now: N Agholor, Hicks, Ajayi, Elliott, Darby. Most of them are better suited for mid season extension due to injury history or strange situations. For example, Will you pay Agholor like a #2 outside WR or above average slot guy? We won't know until he has to play outside to replace T Smith.

If they choose to extend B Graham now, it would give Howie an opportunity to shave a few mil off the 2018 cap and kick the can down the road.
https://overthecap.com/player/brandon-graham/725/

I assume they'll look to add the following in the draft:

at least one LB--maybe their first pick.

A blocking TE to replace Celek. I don't know if anyone on the PS might be ready for that role. I think the Canadian rugby player with size and speed is back on the Summer roster.

An OT to groom as the backup once Peters retires after 2018.

A RB in the middle rounds.

A DT if they have to not resign B Allen, but I expect Allen to return.

I would not be surprised if they trade down to pick up a 2nd and 3rd round pick instead of their low 1st, maybe adding one of their 4ths to the deal.

They seem to have too many mid round picks. I would not be surprised if they try to move up.

You know that the Eagles usually leave much more cap room than that.
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Extensions may not be that possible without deeper cuts.

I had the 6.0 for Kendricks, 4.4 up top and the other 1.6 I mention later in the post.


Good idea on the B. Graham extension.

That will free up about 3M.

Our return game was subpar. We need Sproles back in there asap to get us back near the top.
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 11 2018, 11:43 PM) *
Extensions may not be that possible without deeper cuts.

I had the 6.0 for Kendricks, 4.4 up top and the other 1.6 I mention later in the post.


Good idea on the B. Graham extension.

That will free up about 3M.

Our return game was subpar. We need Sproles back in there asap to get us back near the top.


The Eagles tried to sign Burton to a 2 year deal last year and he said no. I think that he wants more than the Birds will offer. They've already brought back Brown from the PS for TC and they liked him. There's a lot of changes coming.
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QUOTE (eagle60 @ Feb 12 2018, 12:25 AM) *
The Eagles tried to sign Burton to a 2 year deal last year and he said no. I think that he wants more than the Birds will offer. They've already brought back Brown from the PS for TC and they liked him. There's a lot of changes coming.

I did not hear that.

My 3.0 cap hit in year one for him is meant to be market value.

He did play 150 less snaps than Celek this year.

I was thinking 4 years and 18M total should do it, with about half in SB. Maybe a year one cash of just below 10M, with a year one cap of 3.0M.

What will make it tricky is if Celek doesn't want to retire.

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Did Mikey Numbers account for rollover? Is there any?


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I think we resign Bradham. Everything other than that is a crapshoot.
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I assume they used up most of their cap this year when they extended Jeffery and Tim J. For example, look at this strange cap hit structure.
https://overthecap.com/player/alshon-jeffery/101/

Wasn't Tim J extended after Alshon? This is a more typical "kick the can down the road" approach.
https://overthecap.com/player/timmy-jernigan/2987/

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QUOTE (One @ Feb 12 2018, 12:30 PM) *
Did Mikey Numbers account for rollover? Is there any?

The thought of Mikey Numbers not including any Haucked amount is ridiculous. He's the guy that spotted what Banner was up to all those years ago.



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QUOTE (One @ Feb 12 2018, 07:30 AM) *
Did Mikey Numbers account for rollover? Is there any?

Yes. Not nearly as much as most years.

What really killed us as all the people on IR.

You need to pay those salaries.

3.77M of rollover.
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QUOTE (Eyrie @ Feb 12 2018, 03:30 PM) *
The thought of Mikey Numbers not including any Haucked amount is ridiculous. He's the guy that spotted what Banner was up to all those years ago.

You tell him my friend!

The old guy Zero would have known that.

This new guy One is a little full of himself. A smug SOB!
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 12 2018, 07:27 PM) *
You tell him my friend!

The old guy Zero would have known that.

This new guy One is a little full of himself. A smug SOB!

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QUOTE (One @ Feb 12 2018, 07:46 PM) *
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 12 2018, 07:53 PM) *
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Feb 11 2018, 09:42 PM) *
Ok people, my preliminary offseason game plan.

Apologies for those who hate this stuff, but I have to do something Eagle related.

First statement is overall, we always find a way, and while we have the worst cap situation in the league, Howie will find a way to do some things. But, he will not be able to do everything. We have 53 players and 14 of our own free agents to consider.

How bad is our cap situation?

Pretty bad.

We are 4.9M over the cap, worst in the league, and the team in 31st place has 12M more than us. Yikes!

Our 4.9M over the cap has zero cap alloted for our own free agents. YIKES!

The draft pool of 4.6M is not considered in that with our pittence of a draft pool, we should be able to break even for cap as we will clear enough cap room by cuts to make room for ant draftees that make the team.

However, I think there is a way back to a reasonable cap position.

1st - Foles is off the trading block until at least Wentz proves in training camp that he is 100%. Even with that, my inclination is to not trade him at all. The value of having our season still be alive if Wentz goes down is worth his salary.

Starting point (4.9)

Cap Cuts:
T. Smith + 5.0 -Nice guy but Hollins may even be an upgrade
Celek +4.0 (5.0- 1.0 dead $). Ask him to retire. Give him a coaching job if he wants
Kendricks + 4.4 - (7.6-3.2 dead $). He played half snaps of Hicks and Bradham
Warmack +1.1 ( 1.9-0.8 dead $). He can't play. Every Mill counts
Maragos + 1.5 ( 2.0-0.5 dead$). Good player. Can't afford luxury of having him
Subtotal before FA signing = +11.1M
FA Signings:
Bradham 4.0 ( 3 yrs with year one 4.0 cap hit S/b doable)
Burton 3.0 ( 4 yrscwith a year one cap hit of 3.0 s/b doable)
Sproles 1.4 ( I offerchim Vet Min of 1.0+ 0.4 SB, take it or leave it)
C. Graham 1.4 (same as Sproles)
Ellerbee 0.9 ( vet minimum like he got this year)
Total FA Signings (10.7M)
Net cap room = 0.4M

If need be, we can restructure B. Brooks contract by converting salary to signing bonus and we will pickup at least 4 M of cap. We could also trade or cut Kendricks after June 1st to gain another 1.6 of cap this year.

Thoughts on our other free agents :
Allen - very good backup but can't afford him. Time for Qualls and Vaeao to step up.
Robinson - exc CB but can't afford him. Time for Douglas and Jones to step up.
Blount - appreciate the year but can't afford to keep all RB. Smallwood/Sproles fill in.
Goode, Braman, Barner, Sturgis, Beatty - sorry guys, need to make room
Watkins - as a RFA, we could prob get him for 0.7 M if we choose.

Even with these guys going, we have an excellent team.

As far as the draft goes, we have six picks. With the first three picks (1st,4th,4th) I draft 2 LB and one OG in no specific order. The boards I checked out have 7-8 prospects at these positions within the first 128 picks of the draft. The others let the chips fall where the board takes us. I know we should go BPA at PON, and I assume there will be good prospects there.

No new FA. A dull FA period, but when you have the best roster, that's fine by me.


So we left off at 0.4M of cap space with the moves above. If we do one year extensions for Curry, Brooks and two year extensions with a raise for B. Graham we would have:

Adjusted starting available cap = + 0.4M
One year extension for Brooks =+ 5.7M
One year extension for Curry =+5.5M
Two year extension and raise for Graham =+ 1.3M
Revised Available Cap = +12.9M

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[quote name='nephillymike' date='Feb 19 2018, 07:59 PM' post='311428']
So we left off at 0.4M of cap space with the moves above. If we do one year extensions for Curry, Brooks and two year extensions with a raise for B. Graham we would have:

Adjusted starting available cap = + 0.4M
One year extension for Brooks =+ 5.7M
One year extension for Curry =+5.5M
Two year extension and raise for Graham =+ 1.3M
Revised Available Cap = +12.9M

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Man that's wild. Now all that we have to do is get the agents to go along with it. I'll give them your number! biggrin.gif
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post Feb 19 2018, 10:03 PM
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So, I go on to SPOTRAC to find that somehow some way, we've manage to spend 1.2M of cap more than a week ago! ohmy.gif

So now we are 6.1M in the red instead of 4.9M!!

Wiz bonus was prob .25M.

I think some of Foles incentives hit for playoff playing time.

Not sure who else.

The road from the red to the black just got a tad longer.
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post Mar 13 2018, 09:42 PM
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Bump from a few weeks ago.
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Mar 13 2018, 10:42 PM) *
Bump from a few weeks ago.



Who were those people that were saying the cap doesn't mean anything? Was it Phits who said the cap was not an issue? I forget...not really...but I will try to be nice..lol

I guess this cap thing is real...lol
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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Mar 13 2018, 10:35 PM) *
Who were those people that were saying the cap doesn't mean anything? Was it Phits who said the cap was not an issue? I forget...not really...but I will try to be nice..lol

I guess this cap thing is real...lol
Nice move by lane to help out

I stand by it. The cap isn't an issue, particularly when you know what you're doing. A smart GM can make it work handily for their team and even win a Superbowl.

All of this cap talk is for the fans and their idle hands.



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If the cap is not an issue then why are Bradham and Burton not signed?

QUOTE (Phits @ Mar 13 2018, 10:43 PM) *
I stand by it. The cap isn't an issue, particularly when you know what you're doing. A smart GM can make it work handily for their team and even win a Superbowl.

All of this cap talk is for the fans and their idle hands.


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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Mar 13 2018, 10:58 PM) *
If the cap is not an issue then why are Bradham and Burton not signed?


Here are Burton's comments on the subject:
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As for Bradham, I am sure the team is trying to figure out how to make it work, or whether they want to make it work. The value that WE place on a player and/or their position may not be the same as the organization does. Considering their most recent (in game) accomplishment, I'll agree with whatever moves they decide works for the team.


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post Mar 13 2018, 11:54 PM
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Agreed, Phits. It's not about signing everybody we want, it's about signing the best roster available. Otherwise, Wentz would be backing up Aaron Rodgers.


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post Mar 14 2018, 04:36 AM
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QUOTE (Joegrane @ Mar 13 2018, 10:58 PM) *
If the cap is not an issue then why are Bradham and Burton not signed?

Because they don't value Burton enough to have re-signed him.

Bradham is not signed...yet. Keep in mind, he may still be signed, or not.
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post Mar 14 2018, 11:41 AM
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I have to laugh...lane Johnson helped out so they could sign Bradham. Celek is gone because of the cap as is Burton. That means we are lean at TE. They may bring Celek back at a reduced rate. Folks get all warm and fuzzy about us signing some aging vets and I think the signings were nice as is the trade but it also means Curry may be next to go. The SB was not proof of no cap issues, rather, as a few of us pointed out, it was the result of putting themselves it a tight cap issue this year. There are no upgrades via the FA market. The DT is not a big upgrade at this stage in his career, it is lateral at best and likely a drop.

Howie got us a SB and maybe he is even improving this team with his latest gambles but anyone who says the cap is not an issue is delusional.


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post Mar 14 2018, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE (Phits @ Mar 13 2018, 11:27 PM) *
The value that WE place on a player and/or their position may not be the same as the organization does. Considering their most recent (in game) accomplishment, I'll agree with whatever moves they decide works for the team.


Thank you.

We can replace Celek/Burton with our 5th or 6th round pick, to back up our actual star TE.

The organization has proven they know what they're doing. There's always turnover, and you can't keep everyone.


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post Mar 14 2018, 01:57 PM
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All of this cap crap is part of the reason that fantasy football is so popular. Anybody that thinks a good GM with experience can't make it work is fooling themselves.


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