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- - Eyrie   I can have no complaints if that is the standard P...   Apr 29 2018, 01:21 PM
|- - eagle60   QUOTE (Eyrie @ Apr 29 2018, 02:21 PM) I c...   Apr 29 2018, 05:11 PM
- - The Franchise   There's a fine line between confidence and dou...   Apr 29 2018, 01:25 PM
- - nephillymike   Goedert vs Ertz Height 6-5 vs 6-5 Weight 256 vs ...   Apr 29 2018, 07:14 PM
|- - Joegrane   Their spider charts suggest they are different pla...   Apr 29 2018, 10:12 PM
- - eagle60   The Dallas war room when Goedert is announced: h...   May 4 2018, 07:31 PM
|- - nephillymike   QUOTE (eagle60 @ May 4 2018, 07:31 PM) Th...   May 5 2018, 04:32 AM
- - eagle60   I think that Goedert could become a huge part of t...   May 10 2018, 02:25 PM
|- - The Franchise   QUOTE (eagle60 @ May 10 2018, 02:25 PM) R...   May 10 2018, 02:28 PM
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I think it's interesting that Goedert compares himself with Travis Kelce after he gets the ball.


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I can have no complaints if that is the standard Philly* Goedert sets himself.



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There's a fine line between confidence and douchebaggery.

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QUOTE (Eyrie @ Apr 29 2018, 02:21 PM) *
I can have no complaints if that is the standard Philly* Goedert sets himself.



*Name change courtesy of Eagle60.


LOL! He'd do it legally if he were smart.
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Goedert vs Ertz


Height 6-5 vs 6-5
Weight 256 vs 249
Reps of 220 lbs 23 vs 24
40yd dash 4.67 vs 4.76
At time of draft combine or Pro day.

Not bad.
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Their spider charts suggest they are different players.
http://www.wingheads.com/index.php?showtop...rt=#entry313853

Ertz's hands have been so reliable; however he's not developed a reputation as a good blocker.

I expect Goedert to become a better all-around TE even though he might not put up Ertz's numbers in the passing game. I bet Goedert becomes an even better Red Zone target due to his leaping ability and ability to make circus catches. In a pinch CW will be able to just throw it up to him and let him make a play over the head of the defender. We are going to talk for years about how good it is that he is not in Dallas!

I was not fond of the selection of a TE from a standpoint of need. However, over the long-term, I think people will talk about Howie's genius with that move, especially if the 2019 2nd rounder they also received is not a bust.

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Goedert vs Ertz


Height 6-5 vs 6-5
Weight 256 vs 249
Reps of 220 lbs 23 vs 24
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At time of draft combine or Pro day.

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The Dallas war room when Goedert is announced:


https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2018/5/...vid-does-dallas
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QUOTE (eagle60 @ May 4 2018, 07:31 PM) *
The Dallas war room when Goedert is announced:


https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2018/5/...vid-does-dallas

Bwah!
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I think that Goedert could become a huge part of the offense this season. Remember how effective the Patriots were in the passing game when they played Hernandez and Gronkowski at the same time? I suppose that set keeps Agholor off the field though but that will be a good thing if the kid produces like he's capable of. Doug changes his offense every week anyway so the ball will be spread around enough over the season. If the team has the same attitude as they had last year it won't matter anyway. The offense should be even more explosive than last year with the addition of the rook, having Sproles back an increased load for Clement. Coach has a lot of toys to play with this season.
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QUOTE (eagle60 @ May 10 2018, 02:25 PM) *
Remember how effective the Patriots were in the passing game when they played Hernandez and Gronkowski at the same time?


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Can we see how he handles a preseason game against a 2nd string defense before declaring our TE rotation Gronk/Hernandez?


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QUOTE (The Franchise @ May 10 2018, 03:28 PM) *
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Can we see how he handles a preseason game against a 2nd string defense before declaring our TE rotation Gronk/Hernandez?


Excuse me for being excited about the kid. I don't want to wait 5 years for the kid to develop like it I did for Ertz.
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I agree with you about him but he is making a big step up in level of competition. However he is a little bigger than Ertz, the rookie.

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Excuse me for being excited about the kid. I don't want to wait 5 years for the kid to develop like it I did for Ertz.

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QUOTE (eagle60 @ May 10 2018, 06:05 PM) *
Excuse me for being excited about the kid. I don't want to wait 5 years for the kid to develop like it I did for Ertz.


Be excited all you want - but declaring Ertz/Goedert the next Gronk/Hernandez at this point is comically ridiculous. Let's see him play a snap in the NFL first.

Barring injury, and assuming he fits in well, I would expect his production to replace Burton's, which is fine. As for 'waiting 5 years' for Ertz to develop, that's also ridiculous. He broke out in his 2nd year as a solid target, but there wasn't much room for him in that offense, same as with Goedert now. And he's put up almost exactly the same numbers in the last 3 years.



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QUOTE (The Franchise @ May 10 2018, 07:40 PM) *
Be excited all you want - but declaring Ertz/Goedert the next Gronk/Hernandez at this point is comically ridiculous. Let's see him play a snap in the NFL first.

Barring injury, and assuming he fits in well, I would expect his production to replace Burton's, which is fine. As for 'waiting 5 years' for Ertz to develop, that's also ridiculous. He broke out in his 2nd year as a solid target, but there wasn't much room for him in that offense, same as with Goedert now. And he's put up almost exactly the same numbers in the last 3 years.


I wasn't really saying that the two of them will be Hernandez-Gronk, just pointing out that Goedert could be considered drafting a starter. Somebody earlier in the thread was criticizing that they didn't like the pick because he wouldn't be starting over Ertz while I'm saying that I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles play a lot of 2 TE sets so Goedert could be thought of that way "starting" opposite him.

As for Ertz it seemed like every year was going to be a breakout season for him and it never came until last year. A lot of those early year stats were padded in meaningless games at the end of the seasons. There were quite a few drops along the way too. Sure he had all kinds of talent but he wasn't living up to it. If you want to be one of those stat guys fine but I'd much rather see somebody pass the eye test. Stats are for baseball geeks. And no, I don't have Goedert in Canton yet either.
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QUOTE (eagle60 @ May 10 2018, 08:24 PM) *
As for Ertz it seemed like every year was going to be a breakout season for him and it never came until last year. A lot of those early year stats were padded in meaningless games at the end of the seasons. There were quite a few drops along the way too. Sure he had all kinds of talent but he wasn't living up to it. If you want to be one of those stat guys fine but I'd much rather see somebody pass the eye test. Stats are for baseball geeks.


Stats aren't everything in football, but they absolutely matter, as anyone who knows what they're talking about would tell you. For instance, you can look at Ertz's rate of dropped passes over the years and see that he never really had a drop problem (go look it up). Up until last year, he was also never the clear favorite target of whoever was playing QB for us - and that's besides the fact that he has had several different OC's/HC's. Ironically, the one game where Pat Shurmur was head coach was when he was utilized brilliantly, leading to his 'padded stats.' (Believe it or not they still count, even in Week 17 when you're out of the playoffs) Yet another reason to hate Chip Kelly.

As far as the 'eye test,' I have no doubt you managed to catch all of South Dakota State's games last year, which is why you're already declaring Ertz/Goedert as Gronk/Hernandez. I'll save my eye test for when he actually plays against an NFL opponent.


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QUOTE (The Franchise @ May 10 2018, 09:11 PM) *
Stats aren't everything in football, but they absolutely matter, as anyone who knows what they're talking about would tell you. For instance, you can look at Ertz's rate of dropped passes over the years and see that he never really had a drop problem (go look it up). Up until last year, he was also never the clear favorite target of whoever was playing QB for us - and that's besides the fact that he has had several different OC's/HC's. Ironically, the one game where Pat Shurmur was head coach was when he was utilized brilliantly, leading to his 'padded stats.' (Believe it or not they still count, even in Week 17 when you're out of the playoffs) Yet another reason to hate Chip Kelly.

As far as the 'eye test,' I have no doubt you managed to catch all of South Dakota State's games last year, which is why you're already declaring Ertz/Goedert as Gronk/Hernandez. I'll save my eye test for when he actually plays against an NFL opponent.


Hey Franchise, we're on the same side here. I think that I explained myself pretty well about the Hernandez-Gronk comment. As for the eye test I guess that you didn't know that I'm a South Dakota season ticket holder.
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As a reference, our "backup" TEs last year played like 9 less snaps than Ertz. And we had multiple TEs on the field like a third of the time. Bitching about the pick because he's not a "starter" is dumb. That type of traditional thinking is going away fast. We were in nickel D last year more than base, IIRC. So, slot corner/3rd S plays more than 3rd LB. Are they not "starters" either?


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QUOTE (samaroo @ May 10 2018, 09:55 PM) *
As a reference, our "backup" TEs last year played like 9 less snaps than Ertz. And we had multiple TEs on the field like a third of the time. Bitching about the pick because he's not a "starter" is dumb. That type of traditional thinking is going away fast. We were in nickel D last year more than base, IIRC. So, slot corner/3rd S plays more than 3rd LB. Are they not "starters" either?


I think that we should just call our base "Jenkins".
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QUOTE (eagle60 @ May 10 2018, 09:30 PM) *
As for the eye test I guess that you didn't know that I'm a South Dakota season ticket holder.


Well at least that justifies your excitement for the guy. Just come out and say that then, instead of revising Ertz's history.


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QUOTE (The Franchise @ May 10 2018, 10:44 PM) *
Well at least that justifies your excitement for the guy. Just come out and say that then, instead of revising Ertz's history.


Gotcha!
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QUOTE (eagle60 @ May 10 2018, 08:30 PM) *
Hey Franchise, we're on the same side here. I think that I explained myself pretty well about the Hernandez-Gronk comment. As for the eye test I guess that you didn't know that I'm a South Dakota season ticket holder.

Do you live in Mass or in SD?
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Do you live in Mass or in SD?


Mass. lol!
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QUOTE (The Franchise @ May 10 2018, 07:40 PM) *
Be excited all you want - but declaring Ertz/Goedert the next Gronk/Hernandez at this point is comically ridiculous. Let's see him play a snap in the NFL first.

Barring injury, and assuming he fits in well, I would expect his production to replace Burton's, which is fine. As for 'waiting 5 years' for Ertz to develop, that's also ridiculous. He broke out in his 2nd year as a solid target, but there wasn't much room for him in that offense, same as with Goedert now. And he's put up almost exactly the same numbers in the last 3 years.


With the amount of 2 TE sets the Birds run I think he will far surpass Burton numbers. He is bigger, just as fast (or close), good hands, loves to block and is seriously athletic and Celek will not be taking snaps away from him which is something you must be missing. I am not saying that he will be the next Gonzalez but I think you grossly underestimate this pick. He will see the field early and often for this team.


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With the amount of 2 TE sets the Birds run I think he will far surpass Burton numbers. He is bigger, just as fast (or close), good hands, loves to block and is seriously athletic and Celek will not be taking snaps away from him which is something you must be missing. I am not saying that he will be the next Gonzalez but I think you grossly underestimate this pick. He will see the field early and often for this team.


I'm pretty sure I'm not the one missing anything here. He's out of a Division II school, and hasn't played a snap in the NFL yet. If he beats out Rodgers for snaps he should replace Burton's production - if not, he'll replace Celek's. If he ends up being great, great. Tight ends are impossible to gauge out of college because they all have size and look good against college defenses. If he looks good against the Steelers in early August, sign me up.

For the record I'm a huge fan of Double TE sets, especially in the Red Zone. If he works out it will end up being a great pick. If not, maybe LJ Smith will hire him at his painting studio in Edison, NJ.



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It wouldn't surprise me if Rodgers didn't make the team. He's a cheap vet that was some kind of safety net. I'm thinking Ertz, Goedert and Brown.
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QUOTE (eagle60 @ May 11 2018, 07:08 PM) *
It wouldn't surprise me if Rodgers didn't make the team. He's a cheap vet that was some kind of safety net. I'm thinking Ertz, Goedert and Brown.


He's a proven NFL tight end, and I liked the signing because he adds veteran depth as a backup, though it's clear he isn't a #1. Brown has to currently be the odd man out. There's rumors we might bring Celek back if need be. There's also speculation we could carry 4 TEs, but 'd be surprised by that.


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He's a proven NFL tight end, and I liked the signing because he adds veteran depth as a backup, though it's clear he isn't a #1. Brown has to currently be the odd man out. There's rumors we might bring Celek back if need be. There's also speculation we could carry 4 TEs, but 'd be surprised by that.


I won't be disappointed if he stays but he did sign ultra cheap. I really doubt that we keep 4 TEs.

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Damn this kid can really catch the ball.

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QUOTE (eagle60 @ May 19 2018, 06:26 PM) *

I just checked it out.

Wow.

The Dakota connection, Wentz to Goedert!
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I just checked it out.

Wow.

The Dakota connection, Wentz to Goedert!


Has a ND/SD college player ever connected an NFL pass to another one? I don't think so based on some quick google searches, but don't take my word for it.

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I hope that Goedert turns out to be as good as the last TE that we got from South Dakota State. Does anybody know who that guy was?
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I hope that Goedert turns out to be as good as the last TE that we got from South Dakota State. Does anybody know who that guy was?


Since a 10 second google search can tell you every SDST player who ever played in the NFL, Pete Retzlaff. laugh.gif


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Since a 10 second google search can tell you every SDST player who ever played in the NFL, Pete Retzlaff. laugh.gif


Cheater!! biggrin.gif Friekin technology has ruined sports trivia fun.
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