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- nephillymike   1st half observations vs. Jets   Sep 3 2015, 07:54 PM
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- - JeeQ   We Can't Get Rid Of Bailey... That racist pie...   Sep 3 2015, 08:38 PM
- - JeeQ   Kip Smith is so fucking terrible   Sep 3 2015, 08:42 PM
- - JeeQ   Final Game Thoughts: Our weaknesses are still the...   Sep 3 2015, 09:02 PM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 3 2015, 10:02 PM) Final...   Sep 3 2015, 09:27 PM
|- - nephillymike   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 3 2015, 09:27 PM...   Sep 3 2015, 09:29 PM
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|- - JeeQ   QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 3 2015, 07:27 PM...   Sep 3 2015, 09:56 PM
|- - nephillymike   QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 3 2015, 09:56 PM) Clear...   Sep 3 2015, 10:02 PM
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- - mcnabbulous   I agree. If Chip has shitty QB play, our offense/t...   Sep 3 2015, 09:15 PM
- - mcnabbulous   Basically all of your concerns stem from the fact ...   Sep 4 2015, 08:16 AM
|- - JeeQ   QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 4 2015, 06:16 AM...   Sep 4 2015, 11:45 AM
|- - mcnabbulous   QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 4 2015, 11:45 AM) You t...   Sep 4 2015, 11:58 AM
|- - nephillymike   QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 4 2015, 11:45 AM) You t...   Sep 4 2015, 07:02 PM
|- - Reality Fan   QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 4 2015, 12:45 PM) You t...   Sep 4 2015, 07:52 PM
- - Zero   I'm not sure the 'changed' their philo...   Sep 5 2015, 06:05 AM
> 1st half observations vs. Jets
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post Sep 3 2015, 07:54 PM
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- Tebow is ahead on all judges cards after the 1st half. Barkley had three real bad early throws and then settled down. Tebow had two nice throws and only one bad one.

- Reynolds missed tackle. Looks soft. Not sure if he is PS material

- Watkins up and down but looks better than other options

- Rowe is a problem. We can't afford to have him on the field. Maybe have Biggars come on in nickle and Couplin in dime.

- Ajirotutu shows me absolutely nothing at WR. They say he is an excellent ST guy. He better be.

- Braman has a pass rush. Could come in handy

- does it bother anyone else that they think Cooper is good enough to sit out this game

- Huff - has absolutely done nothing. His ass should be still playing in this game.

- this backup centre's or 3rd tema centre's snaps in shot gun suck. Been that way all preseason

- I've seen enough of the Kipper

- our second and third team defense has had zero pass rush

- another missed tackle by Reynolds

- I find it hard to believe that in a fair competition most our our deep depth OLB's aren't better than M. Smith

- even for a roster geek like me, this game is really tough to watch
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post Sep 3 2015, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Sep 3 2015, 08:54 PM) *
- Tebow is ahead on all judges cards after the 1st half. Barkley had three real bad early throws and then settled down. Tebow had two nice throws and only one bad one.

- Reynolds missed tackle. Looks soft. Not sure if he is PS material

- Watkins up and down but looks better than other options

- Rowe is a problem. We can't afford to have him on the field. Maybe have Biggars come on in nickle and Couplin in dime.

- Ajirotutu shows me absolutely nothing at WR. They say he is an excellent ST guy. He better be.

- Braman has a pass rush. Could come in handy

- does it bother anyone else that they think Cooper is good enough to sit out this game

- Huff - has absolutely done nothing. His ass should be still playing in this game.

- this backup centre's or 3rd tema centre's snaps in shot gun suck. Been that way all preseason

- I've seen enough of the Kipper

- our second and third team defense has had zero pass rush

- another missed tackle by Reynolds

- I find it hard to believe that in a fair competition most our our deep depth OLB's aren't better than M. Smith

- even for a roster geek like me, this game is really tough to watch


C'mon, 3/4 of the guys playing tonight are gone or headed to PS.
Name me a 2nd or 3rd round DB that was ready to play their first season?
Rowe has the talent, the pick tonight showed a flash of it, he just needs more schooling.
Ajirrotutu(?) will never be on the field as a real WR, but he showed you his ST value tonight when he downed a punt at the Jet's 2.





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post Sep 3 2015, 08:38 PM
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We Can't Get Rid Of Bailey...

That racist piece of shit Riley doesn't even have to take the field and Bailey might not even make the roster... utter bullshit
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Kip Smith is so fucking terrible laugh.gif
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post Sep 3 2015, 09:02 PM
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Final Game Thoughts:

Our weaknesses are still the same ones from last season

The best way to stop a Chip Kelly offense is to keep the ball out of their hands. 3 out of 11 on 3rd down conversions and only 1 minute and 24 seconds of possession in the 3rd QTR... Ouch

Keeping our defense on the field with a heavy dose of run is also still too effective... 200+ yards on the ground and 14 out of 18 3rd down conversions... Ouch

Last up, the secondary still looks weak. We're one injury away from Rowe/Watkins starting at CB and judging from what I've seen from both of them... Ouch
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post Sep 3 2015, 09:15 PM
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I agree. If Chip has shitty QB play, our offense/team isn't good.
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post Sep 3 2015, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE (Birdwatcher @ Sep 3 2015, 08:36 PM) *
C'mon, 3/4 of the guys playing tonight are gone or headed to PS.
Name me a 2nd or 3rd round DB that was ready to play their first season?
Rowe has the talent, the pick tonight showed a flash of it, he just needs more schooling.
Ajirrotutu(?) will never be on the field as a real WR, but he showed you his ST value tonight when he downed a punt at the Jet's 2.

In all the years of watching the 4th preseason games, I never remember a drafted rookie looking tis bad an ever amounting to much.
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QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 3 2015, 10:02 PM) *
Final Game Thoughts:

Our weaknesses are still the same ones from last season

The best way to stop a Chip Kelly offense is to keep the ball out of their hands. 3 out of 11 on 3rd down conversions and only 1 minute and 24 seconds of possession in the 3rd QTR... Ouch

Keeping our defense on the field with a heavy dose of run is also still too effective... 200+ yards on the ground and 14 out of 18 3rd down conversions... Ouch

Last up, the secondary still looks weak. We're one injury away from Rowe/Watkins starting at CB and judging from what I've seen from both of them... Ouch



ummm....they are all backups playing....you understand that....right?


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post Sep 3 2015, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 3 2015, 09:27 PM) *
ummm....they are all backups playing....you understand that....right?

If our backups are worse than the backups of one of the worst teams in the NFL, that's a slight concern.

Not as bad if our starters struggled for sure, but not a good thing
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Sep 3 2015, 10:29 PM) *
If our backups are worse than the backups of one of the worst teams in the NFL, that's a slight concern.

Not as bad if our starters struggled for sure, but not a good thing


Hicks...Bair....Allen....played ok.....

Most of the secondary played poorly......it was that simple.....and in the 2nd half they played against a veteran Qb with talent......

not worried about it at all


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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 3 2015, 07:27 PM) *
ummm....they are all backups playing....you understand that....right?


Clearly, but I saw these same things last season whenever we faced decent competition in the regular season... We still get taken to school by most teams over .500

1.) Time Of Possession: This is a Chip Kelly system issue and good teams abused us with this last season. That 3rd QTR was scarily reminiscent of the times teams would run 10+ minute long drives on us in the regular season. This isn't the first or last time we'll see an entire quarter where the Eagles only have the ball for 1-2 minutes

2.) 3rd Down Conversions: We're still the kings of the fastest 3 and out in the league and the kings of never letting an opponent's drive die. This was a regular season problem last year too and it's still rearing it's ugly head. I don't care who's in the game you can't let your opponent complete nearly 80% of it's 3rd down conversions. This defense struggles to get off the field and the longer the game goes the worse it gets


3.) Depth In The Secondary: Didn't have it last season, still don't have it this season... it's held together by a string at this point... it's one cog away from being as abysmal as last season
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QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 3 2015, 09:56 PM) *
Clearly, but I saw these same things last season whenever we faced decent competition in the regular season... We still get taken to school by most teams over .500

1.) Time Of Possession: This is a Chip Kelly system issue and good teams abused us with this last season. That 3rd QTR was scarily reminiscent of the times teams would run 10+ minute long drives on us in the regular season. This isn't the first or last time we'll see an entire quarter where the Eagles only have the ball for a 1-2 minutes

2.) 3rd Down Conversions: We're still the kings of the fastest 3 and out in the league and the kings of never letting a drive die. This was a regular season problem last year too and it's still rearing it's ugly head. I don't care who's in the game you can't let your opponent complete nearly 80% of it's 3rd down conversions. This defense struggles to get of the field and the longer the game goes the worse it gets


3.) Depth In The Secondary: Didn't have it last season, still don't have it this season... it's held together by a string at this point... it's one cog away from being as abysmal as last season

read my time of possession post as to why TOP doesn't matter
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Sep 3 2015, 11:02 PM) *
read my time of possession post as to why TOP doesn't matter


He's just hatin', probably won't get much of a chance once the season starts.

Predicting that this team has the same faults as last year by watching mainly guys who won't even make the roster is just ludicrous. If you look at first team play this preseason, on both sides of the ball, there is visible improvement already. The rooks are rooks, they need to be eased into the lineup, even Algholor. If we can score 30+ a game, and with this O that is highly likely, then an average D is enough to win a lot of games.
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QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 3 2015, 10:56 PM) *
Clearly, but I saw these same things last season whenever we faced decent competition in the regular season... We still get taken to school by most teams over .500

1.) Time Of Possession: This is a Chip Kelly system issue and good teams abused us with this last season. That 3rd QTR was scarily reminiscent of the times teams would run 10+ minute long drives on us in the regular season. This isn't the first or last time we'll see an entire quarter where the Eagles only have the ball for 1-2 minutes

2.) 3rd Down Conversions: We're still the kings of the fastest 3 and out in the league and the kings of never letting an opponent's drive die. This was a regular season problem last year too and it's still rearing it's ugly head. I don't care who's in the game you can't let your opponent complete nearly 80% of it's 3rd down conversions. This defense struggles to get off the field and the longer the game goes the worse it gets


3.) Depth In The Secondary: Didn't have it last season, still don't have it this season... it's held together by a string at this point... it's one cog away from being as abysmal as last season


It looked real bad through the first 3 games?

You take this from a game of no consequence with scrubs playing scrubs?




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QUOTE (Reality Fan @ Sep 3 2015, 08:49 PM) *
It looked real bad through the first 3 games?

You take this from a game of no consequence with scrubs playing scrubs?


Basing it off everything I've seen so far from last season until now... We won't know for sure until the season starts but I'm banking on these 3 things to show up and hurt us this season if they're not corrected

TOP, 3rd Down Conversions, and the Secondary

I'll add a fourth item as well even though we didn't get to see it this preseason. Can Chip Kelly orchestrate clock-killing drives when it's time to put a team away? There were moments in the last two seasons where the team would be up by multiple scores going into the second half and completely lose it because we couldn't control the clock. He looked absolutely baffled when it came time to slow the game down. I'm anxious to see what he does in that situation this season

We all have our predictions; these are mine
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Basically all of your concerns stem from the fact that last year we had shitty QBs and a RB that danced in the backfield. The end result was lots of 2nd and 3rd and longs and subsequently lots of three and outs.

Our team is built completely differently. At a bare minimum, Murray and Mathews will fall forward for 2-3 yards. Sam will routinely make quick, accurate throws to move the chains. Every issue you had with Chip's offense is exactly the same issue he had with it. Which is why your constant bitching about his personnel moves has made no sense.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Sep 4 2015, 06:16 AM) *
Basically all of your concerns stem from the fact that last year we had shitty QBs and a RB that danced in the backfield. The end result was lots of 2nd and 3rd and longs and subsequently lots of three and outs.

Our team is built completely differently. At a bare minimum, Murray and Mathews will fall forward for 2-3 yards. Sam will routinely make quick, accurate throws to move the chains. Every issue you had with Chip's offense is exactly the same issue he had with it. Which is why your constant bitching about his personnel moves has made no sense.


You think the roster improved... I think he rearranged the chairs on the Titantic

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post Sep 4 2015, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 4 2015, 11:45 AM) *
You think the roster improved... I think he rearranged the chairs on the Titantic

One of us will be right by the end of the season

The players he dropped and picked up are dramatically different in skillset and style. There is nothing "rearranged" about what our offense will look like compared to the past two years.

Foles was dependent on Jackson's speed because his only success was predicated on big plays due to his inability to sustain drives. Shady was boom or bust who routinely put us in less than ideal second and third down situations.

It will be a lot different this year.
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QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 4 2015, 11:45 AM) *
You think the roster improved... I think he rearranged the chairs on the Titantic

One of us will be right by the end of the season



Damn Jee, you're making me sound like Sunshine Harry.

You need an Axis card?
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QUOTE (JeeQ @ Sep 4 2015, 12:45 PM) *
You think the roster improved... I think he rearranged the chairs on the Titantic

One of us will be right by the end of the season


I guess my confusion comes from trying to figure out how you arrived at that conclusion. Don't get me wrong, I respect your right to take that position....it just seems odd to me. They clearly changed the type of RB they value....completely different running style for both Murray and Matthews. They clearly are changing to a ball control/momentum offense from a homerun offense.

On defense they are concentrating on fast LBs and a defense that keeps everything in front of them.....I suppose you could say that every team is rearranging the seat s on the boat as names change but they have clearly changed their philosophy on both sides of the ball.


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I'm not sure the 'changed' their philosophy as much as Kelly decided to accelerate the change.
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