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- nephillymike   Details of the Eagles Off Season Spending Spree   Mar 21 2015, 04:17 PM
- - Zero   Correct me if I'm wrong: Current cap figure = ...   Mar 21 2015, 06:02 PM
|- - nephillymike   QUOTE (Zero @ Mar 21 2015, 06:02 PM) Corr...   Mar 22 2015, 09:08 AM
- - nephillymike   Besides the big Bradford cap usage, the Eagles did...   Mar 22 2015, 09:43 AM
- - Zero   They'll probably renegotiate Ryans and maybe c...   Mar 22 2015, 03:49 PM
- - samaroo   My head hurts. WTF happened to football? You guy...   Mar 22 2015, 07:30 PM
|- - nephillymike   QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 22 2015, 07:30 PM) M...   Mar 22 2015, 08:30 PM
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|- - Zero   QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 22 2015, 08:30 PM) M...   Mar 23 2015, 04:47 AM
- - JeeQ   Matthews is still my "WTF" signing... al...   Mar 23 2015, 02:08 AM
|- - Zero   QUOTE (JeeQ @ Mar 23 2015, 03:08 AM) Matt...   Mar 23 2015, 04:57 AM
|- - mcnabbulous   QUOTE (Zero @ Mar 23 2015, 04:57 AM) Yep,...   Mar 23 2015, 12:14 PM
- - koolaidluke   Matthews is horrible and I don't get why the E...   Mar 23 2015, 12:45 PM
|- - mcnabbulous   QUOTE (koolaidluke @ Mar 23 2015, 12:45 P...   Mar 23 2015, 01:08 PM
|- - koolaidluke   QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Mar 23 2015, 01:08 P...   Mar 23 2015, 05:55 PM
- - samaroo   QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Mar 24 2015, 03:08 A...   Mar 23 2015, 06:35 PM
|- - Phits   QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 23 2015, 06:35 PM) W...   Mar 23 2015, 07:01 PM
|- - Zero   QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 23 2015, 07:35 PM) W...   Mar 23 2015, 08:03 PM
- - samaroo   QUOTE (Phits @ Mar 24 2015, 09:01 AM) Tra...   Mar 23 2015, 09:47 PM
|- - Zero   QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 23 2015, 10:47 PM) O...   Mar 24 2015, 07:03 PM
|- - JeeQ   QUOTE (Zero @ Mar 24 2015, 05:03 PM) I do...   Mar 24 2015, 07:22 PM
|- - Eyrie   QUOTE (Zero @ Mar 25 2015, 12:03 AM) I do...   Mar 25 2015, 02:37 PM
|- - samaroo   QUOTE (Eyrie @ Mar 26 2015, 04:37 AM) If ...   Mar 29 2015, 08:05 PM
- - Pbfan   Could they have renegotiated Bradford? Surely they...   Mar 24 2015, 07:41 PM
|- - Phits   QUOTE (Pbfan @ Mar 24 2015, 07:41 PM) So ...   Mar 24 2015, 08:29 PM
||- - D Rock   QUOTE (Phits @ Mar 25 2015, 01:29 AM) We ...   Mar 25 2015, 12:05 AM
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||- - samaroo   QUOTE (Pbfan @ Mar 30 2015, 11:07 AM) who...   Mar 29 2015, 09:43 PM
|- - D Rock   QUOTE (Pbfan @ Mar 25 2015, 12:41 AM) Cou...   Mar 25 2015, 12:11 AM
- - samaroo   QUOTE (Pbfan @ Mar 25 2015, 09:41 AM) Cou...   Mar 24 2015, 11:07 PM
|- - Phits   QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 24 2015, 11:07 PM) Y...   Mar 25 2015, 11:39 AM
- - nephillymike   Kelly has over drafted every Oregon pick he made. ...   Mar 25 2015, 05:18 AM
- - Zero   There are quite a few here who have consistently p...   Mar 26 2015, 05:56 AM
- - JeeQ   If someone offers Mariota for the blood of his fir...   Mar 26 2015, 04:33 PM
|- - Phits   QUOTE (JeeQ @ Mar 26 2015, 04:33 PM) His ...   Mar 26 2015, 06:51 PM
|- - JeeQ   QUOTE (Phits @ Mar 26 2015, 04:51 PM) The...   Mar 28 2015, 11:27 PM
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post Mar 21 2015, 04:17 PM
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Chip had a pocket full of millions and he went shopping!!

This takes a look at the guys we had signed to contracts before free agency, the cash that we were contractually obligated to pay them and what we did from thereon. Focusing on just the cash impact for now (cap will come later), here's what we did:

A. The Cleansing

We cut and cleared millions of cash that was committed to players to make room for the big spend:

Cut James Casey = 4.0M saved
Cut Heremans = 5.2M saved
Cut Sconces = 6.5M saved
Cut Cole = 10.0M saved
Trade McCoy = 10.25M saved
Trade Foles = 1.5M saved

Total Cash Saved by the Great Purge = $37.45M !!!

B. The Trade Acquisitions

Acquire Alonzo = $0.8M Assumed
Acquire Bradford = 13.0M Assumed

Total Cash Expenses Assumed by Trade = $13.8M

Net Cash Saved Prior to Free Agency = $23.65M

C. The Free Agent Acquisitions

2015 Cash Commitments Only - includes Signing Bonuses, '15 salary and '15 roster bonuses.

Sign Sanchez = 4.5M
Sign Maxwell = 13.3M
Sign Graham = 7.3M (net of 1.7M option bonus)
Sign Mathews = 4.0M
Sign Murray = 9.0M
Sign Thurmond = 3.25M

'15 Cash Spent on Free Agents Signed = $41.35M

Net '15 Cash Spent Cuts, Trades, Free Agents = $17.7M
Amount Funded by Increase in Salary Cap = $10.0M (went up from $133M to $143M, 7.5% increase)
Net Increase in Financial Commitment = $7.7M

D. The Piper

In order to sign FA's, the thing nowadays is to "guarantee" future salaries. Back in the day, all of the guarantees were in the signing bonus. Now, much of it is in the form of guaranteed future salaries. I gues it protects the team for anyone going Ray Rice on us. The numbers below represent the total future guarantees to each of the FA's that is not included above. Above includes signing bonus, '15 salary and '15 roster bonuses. Most FA's have a slice of future year's salaries guaranteed. Here they are:

Maxwell = 12.0M (25M - 13M above)
Murray = 9.0M (18M - 9M above)
Graham = 5.0M (14M- 9M above)
Mathews = 1.0M (5.0M - 4.0M above)
Sanchez = 1.0M (5.5M - 4.5M above)

Total Future Guarantees = $28.0M

Note that these are not "extra" outlays and are in the future salaries of these players. For instance, Murray doens't get extra salary in the future for the $9M, but $9M of his future salary is guaranteed. It really just limits any cash or cap savings that we would reap if we cut them in the near future. Future cash outlays will not change because of this, but it is worth noting that they are guaranteed.

After we trade Bradford and his $13.0M burden and make another cut or reduction or two, our $7.7M non cap funded net outlay should get us back in the plus territory and have Uncle Jeffrey rest easier and may even give us some funds to trade a pick for a WR or S to help sure things up.

Stay tuned. Chip is just getting started!!

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post Mar 21 2015, 06:02 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong:
Current cap figure = 7,652,185
Bradford cap = 12,985,000
Cap sans Bradford = 20,637, 185
Rookie allotments today = 5,823,514
Net cap after rookie signings = 14,813,671
IF a trade of Bradford is contemplated along with the drafting of a rookie QB the Eagles will have about 15 mil to extend or renegotiate the contracts of Kendricks and Cox, each probably at around 10 mil per, or similar to what Graham just got with about a 6 mil cap hit each ... not sure how that hits if it's a renegotiation but I assume it would be prorated from the date of signing to the end of the league year. This would leave them roughly 3 mil of cap after rookies are signed and Cox and Kendricks are locked up.

Looking at it this way and assuming it's important to them to keep Kendricks and Cox, both the math and the logic works. This is traditionally a low number for the Eagles. If being cap champs is Jeff's strategy it's unlikely to work this way but if Chip has truly been given the keys maybe he got a Vulcan mind meld somewhere in the Northeast. If the new contracts are done around the middle of the season that 3 mil of remaining cap probably increases to something like 9 mil which gets closer to where the team typically likes to be.
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post Mar 22 2015, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE (Zero @ Mar 21 2015, 06:02 PM) *
Correct me if I'm wrong:
Current cap figure = 7,652,185
Bradford cap = 12,985,000
Cap sans Bradford = 20,637, 185
Rookie allotments today = 5,823,514
Net cap after rookie signings = 14,813,671
IF a trade of Bradford is contemplated along with the drafting of a rookie QB the Eagles will have about 15 mil to extend or renegotiate the contracts of Kendricks and Cox, each probably at around 10 mil per, or similar to what Graham just got with about a 6 mil cap hit each ... not sure how that hits if it's a renegotiation but I assume it would be prorated from the date of signing to the end of the league year. This would leave them roughly 3 mil of cap after rookies are signed and Cox and Kendricks are locked up.

Looking at it this way and assuming it's important to them to keep Kendricks and Cox, both the math and the logic works. This is traditionally a low number for the Eagles. If being cap champs is Jeff's strategy it's unlikely to work this way but if Chip has truly been given the keys maybe he got a Vulcan mind meld somewhere in the Northeast. If the new contracts are done around the middle of the season that 3 mil of remaining cap probably increases to something like 9 mil which gets closer to where the team typically likes to be.


It is actually a little better than you map it out above. I believe the rookie allocation is probably just the cap hit of the cookie cutter deals that now exist for the slots we're drafting. We would actually get back millions in cap becasue we woul have to cut guys currently included in our cap figure to make room for the rookies. Even if the cuts are the lowest salaries, that should free up 3.5M more. (7 x .5M).
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post Mar 22 2015, 09:43 AM
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Besides the big Bradford cap usage, the Eagles didn't do themselves any good with the structure of soe of the contracts they signed.

They put a decent amount into 2015 roster bonuses, instead of signing bonuses.

From a cap perspective, signing bonuses are charged to the cap an equal amount each year over the life of the contract. Roster bonuses however are charged 100% to the cap in the year signed. So once the players make the team this year, the full amount is charged to this years cap. From a cash perspective, they have to pay the full amount whether a signing bonus or roster bonus. Here are the 2015 roster bonuses:

Maxwell = 6.5M
Murray = 3.0M
Graham = 2.0M
'15 Cap Hit = 11.5M

Now if they put it all in signing bonuses instead, then the cap hit would have been approx 1/5 of that or 2.3M.

That extra cap of 9.2M could come in handy this year.

Sure, their way makes it look like we spent more of the cap, but why not give us some more wiggle room?

The cash is the same. Really, what are the odds that any of the three won't be on the roster? (it includes IR also)
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They'll probably renegotiate Ryans and maybe cut or restructure Cooper. If they do what I had posted they'll be in good cap shape but won't win the championship. If the roster bonuses dump the money into this year that makes them more flexible in future years. I think that's smart as long as they can do what they need to do this year.
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My head hurts. WTF happened to football? You guys sound like Dungeons and Dragons nerds playing Monopoly!


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QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 22 2015, 07:30 PM) *
My head hurts. WTF happened to football? You guys sound like Dungeons and Dragons nerds playing Monopoly!

Wasn't it you who asked for a full accounting??

Or was that someone else?
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QUOTE (nephillymike @ Mar 23 2015, 10:30 AM) *
Wasn't it you who asked for a full accounting??

Or was that someone else?

I don't think it was me, but I do ask a lot of money questions, cause I don't know much about that side of it. I was just busting your balls. I think you do a great job of breaking down the financial side, and actually understand what you write more than a lot of other cap info I've tried to read.

Your work is appreciated. I was just funnin'. biggrin.gif


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Matthews is still my "WTF" signing... all his carries could have gone to Polk and I bet the numbers would be just as good or better and his 1.6M >>> 4M

Thanks for the facts Mikey Numbers... one day that front office job will be yours
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QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 22 2015, 08:30 PM) *
My head hurts. WTF happened to football? You guys sound like Dungeons and Dragons nerds playing Monopoly!
laugh.gif Back to DKD mode.
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QUOTE (JeeQ @ Mar 23 2015, 03:08 AM) *
Matthews is still my "WTF" signing... all his carries could have gone to Polk and I bet the numbers would be just as good or better and his 1.6M >>> 4M

Thanks for the facts Mikey Numbers... one day that front office job will be yours

Yep, especially because this draft is supposed to be so deep in RB. It looks like Kelly's off season moves were designed to fill enough holes that would allow him to draft BPA, except for Mathews. I bet he had a handshake with him before Murray surprised him.
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QUOTE (Zero @ Mar 23 2015, 04:57 AM) *
Yep, especially because this draft is supposed to be so deep in RB. It looks like Kelly's off season moves were designed to fill enough holes that would allow him to draft BPA, except for Mathews. I bet he had a handshake with him before Murray surprised him.

Maybe he doesn't anticipate having a lot of draft picks cool.gif
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Matthews is horrible and I don't get why the Eagles are keeping Ryans. Is Kendricks definitely being traded?

I've never had such mixed feelings about an offseason. Love all the cuts, love trading away Shady and getting Kiko. Love signing Maxwell. Love letting Maclin walk. Love trading Foles. Love passing on Mariota.

Hate signing Murray and hate signing Matthews.


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QUOTE (koolaidluke @ Mar 23 2015, 12:45 PM) *
Matthews is horrible and I don't get why the Eagles are keeping Ryans. Is Kendricks definitely being traded?

I think Matthews and Murray can both perform well here. I think we're going to run the ball a lot this year. Chip wants to win now and clearly doesn't have much faith in bringing a rookie in to do that.

It seems like the writing is on the wall with Kendricks, which could answer your question about Ryans.

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I've never had such mixed feelings about an offseason. Love all the cuts, love trading away Shady and getting Kiko. Love signing Maxwell. Love letting Maclin walk. Love trading Foles. Love passing on Mariota.

Not so sure we're off Mariota just yet. Until they extend or renegotiate Bradford, I think it's a very real possibility.

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Hate signing Murray and hate signing Matthews.

Don't love them either, but I think Chip is going to pound our RB's this year and feels like he needs two guys to do it with.

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Don't know what to think about Bradford.

Like Bradford's game, but can't imagine he can stay healthy. Don't really expect to find out though. Call me naive.
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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Mar 23 2015, 01:08 PM) *
Not so sure we're off Mariota just yet. Until they extend or renegotiate Bradford, I think it's a very real possibility.


I still don't think Chip wants Mariota but even if he does the only way I could see the Eagles taking him is if he fell to the Jets. Even then, an extra first rounder would have been much better trade bait than Bradford.


All the word out of the Novacare is that the Eagles are totally sold on Bradford and want to extend him. Spads seems totally confident that the Eagles are committed to Bradford.


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QUOTE (mcnabbulous @ Mar 24 2015, 03:08 AM) *
It seems like the writing is on the wall with Kendricks, which could answer your question about Ryans.

What writing on what wall? DeMeco is awesome, don't get me wrong. But between him and Kendricks, I'd rather keep Kendricks, just from an age perspective. I would like to keep both, though. Meco is kind of our new Dawk. He's the heart of our D.

QUOTE (koolaidluke @ Mar 24 2015, 07:55 AM) *
All the word out of the Novacare is that the Eagles are totally sold on Bradford and want to extend him. Spads seems totally confident that the Eagles are committed to Bradford.

I think this would be the case even if he was just trade bait. You can't NOT say that, otherwise you tip your hand. I think there's enough interest in Bradford that he makes excellent trade bait, and if it doesn't work out getting MM, Chip likes him enough to roll with him. That's my take away. Or hope, I guess.


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QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 23 2015, 06:35 PM) *
What writing on what wall? DeMeco is awesome, don't get me wrong. But between him and Kendricks, I'd rather keep Kendricks, just from an age perspective. I would like to keep both, though. Meco is kind of our new Dawk. He's the heart of our D.

Trade value is likely to be higher with Kendricks than Meco....if there were to be any (significant) draft day movement.


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QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 23 2015, 07:35 PM) *
What writing on what wall? DeMeco is awesome, don't get me wrong. But between him and Kendricks, I'd rather keep Kendricks, just from an age perspective. I would like to keep both, though. Meco is kind of our new Dawk. He's the heart of our D.


I think this would be the case even if he was just trade bait. You can't NOT say that, otherwise you tip your hand. I think there's enough interest in Bradford that he makes excellent trade bait, and if it doesn't work out getting MM, Chip likes him enough to roll with him. That's my take away. Or hope, I guess.

I doubt there's a person or a team in the NFL that doesn't think Kelly wants Mariota. I don't see any hand that isn't already tipped.
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QUOTE (Phits @ Mar 24 2015, 09:01 AM) *
Trade value is likely to be higher with Kendricks than Meco....if there were to be any (significant) draft day movement.

Okay, for a move-up for MM, I get it. But just a player-for-player trade, I don't. I got what you're saying now.

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I doubt there's a person or a team in the NFL that doesn't think Kelly wants Mariota. I don't see any hand that isn't already tipped.

I agree, but if it doesn't work out, and we don't get MM, you have to have "your guy" at QB. If the FO just said "Bradford's not our QB, he's not even going to unpack" and you don't get Mariota, then rolling with Bradford looks like a loss. Plus it kills his confidence, and undermines his standing in the locker room. I think it's SOP to talk this way no matter what. Hell, teams don't often trash a guy who's been cut, even when it's obvious it was an ugly break up.


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QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 23 2015, 10:47 PM) *
Okay, for a move-up for MM, I get it. But just a player-for-player trade, I don't. I got what you're saying now.


I agree, but if it doesn't work out, and we don't get MM, you have to have "your guy" at QB. If the FO just said "Bradford's not our QB, he's not even going to unpack" and you don't get Mariota, then rolling with Bradford looks like a loss. Plus it kills his confidence, and undermines his standing in the locker room. I think it's SOP to talk this way no matter what. Hell, teams don't often trash a guy who's been cut, even when it's obvious it was an ugly break up.

I don't think Kelly even tries for MM unless he all but falls into his hands.
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QUOTE (Zero @ Mar 24 2015, 05:03 PM) *
I don't think Kelly even tries for MM unless he all but falls into his hands.


Agreed... I only see two realistic scenarios

1.) The Dream Scenario - He Falls To 20

2.) The Trade Up - Bradford + Our #20 To Move Up Into The 10-19 Range
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Could they have renegotiated Bradford? Surely they had a little leverage given his history?

So it sounds like if they hadn't gone after Mathews, they coulda kept fletcher and cox and gone after a top rated saftey, no?
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QUOTE (Pbfan @ Mar 24 2015, 07:41 PM) *
So it sounds like if they hadn't gone after Mathews, they coulda kept fletcher and cox and gone after a top rated saftey, no?

We went after a top rated safety, he signed elsewhere. We had a Plan A and when that failed we went to Plan B and then Murray landed in our lap. As the saying goes "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."


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QUOTE (Pbfan @ Mar 25 2015, 09:41 AM) *
Could they have renegotiated Bradford? Surely they had a little leverage given his history?

So it sounds like if they hadn't gone after Mathews, they coulda kept fletcher and cox and gone after a top rated saftey, no?

You want Fletcher back? And did you mean Cole?

QUOTE (Phits @ Mar 25 2015, 10:29 AM) *
We went after a top rated safety, he signed elsewhere. We had a Plan A and when that failed we went to Plan B and then Murray landed in our lap. As the saying goes "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."

Yep. I think if the Murray signing had happened earlier, we wouldn't have even looked at Matthews. I think the timing was just awkward. We had just signed him (right?) when Murray walked in the front door. I'm sure they could have backed out, but Chip probably thought he could use both because, you know, injuries.

So yeah, gift horse.


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QUOTE (Phits @ Mar 25 2015, 01:29 AM) *
We went after a top rated safety, he signed elsewhere. We had a Plan A and when that failed we went to Plan B and then Murray landed in our lap. As the saying goes "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."

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Could they have renegotiated Bradford? Surely they had a little leverage given his history?

So it sounds like if they hadn't gone after Mathews, they coulda kept fletcher and cox and gone after a top rated saftey, no?

Actually it's the opposite. Crystal Sam has all the leverage. He's got 12mil + coming. Our only leverage is the threat to trade or release. He's made 50mil + already as the last draft class before rookie wage scale. He's in the cat bird seat. Play well this season, and unrestricted FA in a year. He has no incentive to restructure at all beyond just being a nice guy.


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Kelly has over drafted every Oregon pick he made.

I think he does what he has to and "overdrafts" the biggest duck of them all.

It would be inconsistent of him not to.

And who is to stop him?
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post Mar 25 2015, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (samaroo @ Mar 24 2015, 11:07 PM) *
You want Fletcher back? And did you mean Cole?


Yep. I think if the Murray signing had happened earlier, we wouldn't have even looked at Matthews. I think the timing was just awkward. We had just signed him (right?) when Murray walked in the front door. I'm sure they could have backed out, but Chip probably thought he could use both because, you know, injuries.

So yeah, gift horse.



Q: You guys got DeMarco Murray but you also got Ryan Mathews. Having those two and Darren Sproles, what does that do having all three of those components for your offense?

Kelly: Well our plan is, when we made the decision to trade LeSean [McCoy], we were going to replace him with two guys. We didn't think we were going to be able to get involved with DeMarco because we thought the price was going to be too high for us and it was actually... I think he left money on the table, [he was] offered more money at other places. He took less money to come to our place which says a lot about DeMarco. And then to have someone like Darren Sproles, who we always call our "Swiss army knife", that can do so many different things. It's a good situation to be in and we feel very confident about where we are at the running back spot.

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post Mar 25 2015, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (Zero @ Mar 25 2015, 12:03 AM) *
I don't think Kelly even tries for MM unless he all but falls into his hands.

If Mariota falls to 10, then Kelly will be interested.

If he falls to 15, then Kelly will make the deal.

What worries me is the stories about how he wanted to take players a round earlier than they actually went (eg Mathews), so does he fully understand the value of a high draft pick?


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post Mar 26 2015, 05:56 AM
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There are quite a few here who have consistently pointed out that Kelly hasn't won against the top teams. The man is not stupid and I'm sure he doesn't think it was because of a bad play or two. When he told everyone that there are too many holes on the team to mortgage the future I believe he was speaking honestly and showing his intentions.

Foles wasn't his guy and rather than trying to make it work he used him to buy an insurance policy in Bradford. He's not his ideal either because of his health issues but he's a better fit than Foles. If Mariota falls far enough to get without spending much he'll probably do it but otherwise he may just draft more of a project QB and use Bradford/Sanchez for a year. I don't think he believes Sanchez is his QB either, but he's good enough to Pedersen for a young guy.
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post Mar 26 2015, 04:33 PM
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If someone offers Mariota for the blood of his first born and his eternal soul he'll be interested... I think many of you underestimate the love affair Chip has for Mariota... it's clear to anyone if you really listen... no one is falling for his spin routine any more

Chip: I love Shady... we just couldn't afford him

*Spends Way More Money Than Shady Cost*

Chip: While I loved Shady... I prefer a more north/south running style...

Lurie: I too loved Shady... I wanted to keep him.. Chip wasn't interested

Chip: I just don't like Shady...

His MVP off-season move is still Mathews... Give him $4M while letting Maclin walk over $1M laugh.gif Chip panicked so badly after Gore fucked him over
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QUOTE (JeeQ @ Mar 26 2015, 04:33 PM) *
His MVP off-season move is still Mathews... Give him $4M while letting Maclin walk over $1M laugh.gif Chip panicked so badly after Gore fucked him over

The Eagles made an offer and Maclin left for $$ in KC. It was obvious that there would be a bidding war, which Chip wanted no part of. KC was desperate for a WR and AR was going to outbid for Maclin's services. 10+ million was more than a fair offer for Maclin.

When you are trying to get in shape, you clear the cupboard's of the junk...no matter how filling or good it may taste.


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Maclin going was disappointing, but he was offered fair value to stay and the Chiefs chose to overpay for him.


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Dont waste your breath trying to convince a hater to not hate.

Just sit back and enjoy watching them eat crow.

It's like trying to use facts in a political debate with a republican. It's pointless because facts don't mean squat when they interfere with their agenda and belief system (read: imaginary friends). Trickle down economic theory has been clearly debunked. But they still stand by it despite the mountains of facts and evidence. Global warming is still a hoax to this sort of ass hat, despite clear scientific consensus and a mountain of Facts. But just like these fuck faces belonging at the end of the line for our last glass of potable water, they should be the last allowed on the Eagle's bandwagon when we bring home the Lombardi.





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post Mar 28 2015, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE (Phits @ Mar 26 2015, 04:51 PM) *
The Eagles made an offer and Maclin left for $$ in KC. It was obvious that there would be a bidding war, which Chip wanted no part of. KC was desperate for a WR and AR was going to outbid for Maclin's services. 10+ million was more than a fair offer for Maclin.

When you are trying to get in shape, you clear the cupboard's of the junk...no matter how filling or good it may taste.


While there's no denying Maclin was paid a premium (overpaid) for his position I refuse to let you use that last analogy about clearing the cupboard of it's junk when these players are still on the roster:

Riley Cooper, Ryan Mathews, Mark Sanchez, Casey Matthews, Matt Barkley, Marcus Smith, Josh Huff, and every other piece of shit player from Oregon

Then again I don't know if they qualify as junk food or expired food
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QUOTE (Eyrie @ Mar 26 2015, 04:37 AM) *
If Mariota falls to 10, then Kelly will be interested.

If he falls to 15, then Kelly will make the deal.

What worries me is the stories about how he wanted to take players a round earlier than they actually went (eg Mathews), so does he fully understand the value of a high draft pick?

The only way to "win" the draft is to get the best players for your team. Period. Was it great that Seattle got a player like "Wilson in the 3rd? Absolutely. Would he be worth a 1st? Absolutely. Drafting a player above his projection doesn't mean squat if you're trying to make sure you get your guy. Now, I get that there's a strategy there, and I'm not trying to insinuate that Chip has some guru shit going on, I'm just saying that if you think a player can play, and help your team, get him.

I'd rather reach for a great player, than get good value and miss on him.


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QUOTE (Phits @ Mar 24 2015, 08:29 PM) *
We went after a top rated safety, he signed elsewhere. We had a Plan A and when that failed we went to Plan B and then Murray landed in our lap. As the saying goes "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth."


who did we go after?
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QUOTE (Pbfan @ Mar 30 2015, 11:07 AM) *
who did we go after?

Devin McCourty.


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And here's something that I find hard to argue with:
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"We were inadequate in terms of the money allocated defensively to offensively, and we’re trying to balance that out. I think it showed in our play.”
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“It’s all based on what’s available at the time,” he said. “How do you allocate it? You can philosophically say we want to pay X, X, and X at each position. But that’s not available to you.

“We wanted to pay our center (Jason Kelce) really good money [last offseason] because he deserves really good money because Jason’s really good. If somebody else is playing center, we wouldn’t have that money allocated to center. You can’t look at it and say philosophically, let’s put a price tag on each position."
Linc ...

I'm reading that the Eagles saw a lot of places that needed improvement if they were to have a chance to compete for the SB. Hard decisions had to be made including taking chances on players that may not have been attractive to other teams due to injury. It's obviously a risk/reward gamble that Kelly seems to believe his sports science will improve the odds for success. They sign more players because of injury record, fill more holes and are better positioned for BPA in the draft. If they can keep the players healthy they win. If they can't, are they that much worse off than they would have been if they had fewer signings, especially if they have pretty much a full compliment of draft picks in addition to the FA?
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